Rick Doblin

And it's hard to have these local solutions because it attracts those people.

They did. So these kind of solutions, I think people take the wrong idea from them, that the solution itself was the wrong idea. But I think it's when you do it on a local basis like that and not have it widely distributed. So basically, the idea is that you have people that have problems with substance abuse of all kinds. We don't criminalize people who are alcoholics. They can go to AA.

They did. So these kind of solutions, I think people take the wrong idea from them, that the solution itself was the wrong idea. But I think it's when you do it on a local basis like that and not have it widely distributed. So basically, the idea is that you have people that have problems with substance abuse of all kinds. We don't criminalize people who are alcoholics. They can go to AA.

They did. So these kind of solutions, I think people take the wrong idea from them, that the solution itself was the wrong idea. But I think it's when you do it on a local basis like that and not have it widely distributed. So basically, the idea is that you have people that have problems with substance abuse of all kinds. We don't criminalize people who are alcoholics. They can go to AA.

They can go to other things. They're not...

They can go to other things. They're not...

They can go to other things. They're not...

stigmatized and they're not worried that they're going to be arrested and yet they can go for help and you have a lot of people that actually do that and I think that's the kind of humane approach that's where we should be leaning as a society that's a healthy intelligent society and also we should be paying attention to the people that report great benefits

stigmatized and they're not worried that they're going to be arrested and yet they can go for help and you have a lot of people that actually do that and I think that's the kind of humane approach that's where we should be leaning as a society that's a healthy intelligent society and also we should be paying attention to the people that report great benefits

stigmatized and they're not worried that they're going to be arrested and yet they can go for help and you have a lot of people that actually do that and I think that's the kind of humane approach that's where we should be leaning as a society that's a healthy intelligent society and also we should be paying attention to the people that report great benefits

Yes. Well, Rick Perry will be speaking at the conference. Fantastic. Love that guy. Brian Hubbard. Love Brian Hubbard, too. The work that you did to have Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard on your show and how much that brought attention to the Ibogaine possibilities was incredible. Yeah.

Yes. Well, Rick Perry will be speaking at the conference. Fantastic. Love that guy. Brian Hubbard. Love Brian Hubbard, too. The work that you did to have Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard on your show and how much that brought attention to the Ibogaine possibilities was incredible. Yeah.

Yes. Well, Rick Perry will be speaking at the conference. Fantastic. Love that guy. Brian Hubbard. Love Brian Hubbard, too. The work that you did to have Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard on your show and how much that brought attention to the Ibogaine possibilities was incredible. Yeah.

I think that there are so many possible benefits from having psychedelic clinics all over.

I think that there are so many possible benefits from having psychedelic clinics all over.

I think that there are so many possible benefits from having psychedelic clinics all over.

Yeah. I mean, we're talking about right now there's several thousand ketamine clinics. But one of the issues with ketamine clinics is that many of them provide ketamine without therapy. Whoops. Yeah, I've met a lot of those people. Yeah, yes. So I think the key point is that when we talk about psychedelics, when we talk about the clinics, it's not here, take this pill.

Yeah. I mean, we're talking about right now there's several thousand ketamine clinics. But one of the issues with ketamine clinics is that many of them provide ketamine without therapy. Whoops. Yeah, I've met a lot of those people. Yeah, yes. So I think the key point is that when we talk about psychedelics, when we talk about the clinics, it's not here, take this pill.

Yeah. I mean, we're talking about right now there's several thousand ketamine clinics. But one of the issues with ketamine clinics is that many of them provide ketamine without therapy. Whoops. Yeah, I've met a lot of those people. Yeah, yes. So I think the key point is that when we talk about psychedelics, when we talk about the clinics, it's not here, take this pill.

It's here, take this pill in a therapeutic context with therapists there to help you process the emotions.