Rick Perry

There's an author by the name of Wendy Reese, R-E-E-S, and Wendy with an I, W-E-N-D-I-R-E-E-S.

And she – not unlike the two twins –

was sexually assaulted by her own father.

He was a pastor of a church.

Joe, I'm telling you, brother, I can't dream up in my worst nightmare a more evil thing than a father that would sexually assault their daughter.

And she dealt with it.

with Ibogaine and has come to the conclusion that her great gift to give to the world out there is to write this book called A Christian's Guide to Psychedelics.

Now, if you think that won't catch some people's attention when they're going through the bookstore and they go, A Christian's Guide to Psychedelics, holy mackerel.

But this is a book about her experience and

But it's also a book that I would suggest that every believing Christian go pick it up and read it because it talks about chapter and verse and gives you scripture about where God talks about these compounds, about these things that he's given the world.

He means them for good.

All of them for good.

I introduce him from time to time.

I said, look, this guy, he looks like and he sounds like a hillbilly from eastern Kentucky in the Appalachian Mountains.

And I said, he is.

But I said he's one of the most brilliant people I've ever met in my life and one of the most extraordinary orators I've ever had in my life.

So anyway, I love you, brother, but you are a hillbilly.

No, you're good, man.

No, no way.

My going from hard no on criminal justice reform to literally a leader on criminal justice reform in the mid-2000s.