Rick Perry

They came on board, saw this, supported it.

We passed it through a very Republican, very conservative legislature, and Texas led the nation

in criminal justice reform.

Saved us billions of dollars.

We stopped building prisons.

We stopped sending people to prison where they were becoming professional criminals.

So that template, if you will, was what we took to Donald Trump in 2018.

And he was just like me initially.

I'm tough on crime.

But he was open.

He was curious.

Brooke Rollins, interestingly, had come up and was his domestic policy advisor at that time.

And she made the pitch and he was open.

And that conversation led to him being open to federal criminal justice reform.

Today, there are people who – you may have different ideas about President Trump and what have you.

I know that's the case.

But on this issue of criminal justice reform, this man was curious.

He was open-minded and he's made a real difference in people's lives following the Texas model.

The reason I share that with you as an example, that's where I was on –

these compounds, these drugs, these psychedelics.