Rick Rubin

And then also when you do something like that, if you were to work in a recording studio, you may decide this is not for me.

You know, we don't really know.

We have ideas of what we want to try, but then when you try them, sometimes, yes, that works.

Sometimes you don't.

So many people get on a track when they're young.

I have a cousin who went to school to become a dentist, and he was a dentist for years.

And after 15 or 20 years, just like, I can't do this.

I don't want to do this.

It was a wrong choice.

So many people live an unhappy life sticking to a program from when they were younger.

And we have to find like you are speaking to people now versus playing sports.

It's a big change.

But it seems like a really positive change for you.

But it wasn't what you set out to do originally.

Probably about 40 years.

Roughly 40 years.

Close to 40 years.

It was, it's always magic.

It's always exciting.

Um, I can't say that every moment of every project has been that, but there are always these glimpses of wonder that come through the, through the creative process that are staggering.