Rick Rubin

Let's see what actually happens.

Absolutely.

Let's try another one.

Or they both might be great.

And sometimes when they're both great, it's like, oh, maybe this is better for the chorus than this other thing actually can work as a bridge.

We weren't even looking for a bridge.

Yeah.

That's fascinating.

Probably, I would say now my family, you know, having a family.

But also, I have some really...

hard-driving friends like you know you met laird hamilton someone like if you have someone like laird in your your life being around people like him make you better at being a human being what's the biggest thing you struggle with today

I think that there are a lot of fun things to try and finding time to do all of the things possible, the exciting things that I want to try.

Is it- It usually starts with meeting the artist and just if there's a connection with the human and

Uh, it honestly doesn't happen that often because I'm always in different parts of the world and I'm not really part of the system.

Hmm.

So if you were to go to, if you got signed to a record company and they showed you a list of all the producers to work with, I'm not on anybody's list.

Interesting.

So someone would have to seek me out outside of the normal system to find me.

And then it either would or wouldn't happen.

Interesting.