Rick Rubin

They become famous and it's the worst nightmare.

That's not what they wanted.

They miss their privacy.

They miss their anonymity.

They miss being able to go and do whatever they want and not be singled out or pointed to or talked to or even if people are nice, like it's a different, it's different.

And no one teaches you how to do that or you want to go do something with your family and then

There are photographers there and it's very awkward.

I would say I would look at why that is.

I would maybe see, you know, consider therapy.

I learned how to express my feelings clearly.

Like when I, the first time I went to therapy, I didn't even know how to talk.

I didn't know how I felt about anything.

How old were you then?

Maybe 26.

So you learned how to express your feelings then?

Yes.

And to not only, yes, express them, but also to actually, you know, feel them in myself, to understand, not just feel like blocked off or frustrated or like what's beneath it, what's actually going on.

It provides a quiet space where the chatter, you realize that your thoughts are not you and that left to your own devices, there'll be a lot of voices in your head just going all the time and they're not you.

And they don't mean anything.

And they're really repetitious.