Rima Grace

And this is just not how it was.

My grandfather had an eighth grade education and worked at a machine shop, but he was able to retire comfortably with a pension.

And my mom was a unionized public school teacher with a pension.

None of these people had anywhere near the amount of wealth I'm trying to save just to have enough.

I heard from a lot of you all because you contacted our hotline, which you can do too.

You can call us and leave us a voice message anytime at 347-RING-TIU.

You know, listening to those messages, I could hear a lot of the vulnerability, this fear that without a real safety net, enough is always temporary.

I definitely feel like that.

Which is why I was surprised when I heard this next story.

Someone who told me that she's built a life that doesn't depend on money for security.

Jo's life is extreme.

She lives without money, which is a strange thing to say.

But it's something that's only possible because of where she lives and the fact that she leans on the people around her.

She's very upfront about her unique situation.

I called her up not because I think she's a blueprint for how to live, but because, well, first of all, I was just really curious about her life.

But also, I wanted to know what enough can look like when money is no longer the thing you're chasing.

She made the big decision back in 2014.

Money felt like the stand-in for the harms of capitalism, as she saw it.

And at the time, she was reading about this guy named Mark Boyle who'd lived in the UK without money for several years.

Can you just paint me a picture of what your life was like before you decided to quit your job and close your bank account?