Rizwan Virk

And maybe they know how to do it because they're more advanced users of the simulation than we are.

or maybe they're already projecting into our simulation.

So I think some of these other explanations may be a better fit than the simple alien hypothesis, even though I think there are.

I mean, look, I've met probably four or five people who have told me off the record, confidentially, I mean, I don't think they mind if I express it without mentioning who they are, that they have been part of the reverse engineering program, or they have seen

the anti-gravity stuff that we have created based on UFOs, based on technology.

And I think that gets back to where the whole recent debate has been within Congress around, do we have a reverse engineering program?

Is it in the government or is it in private industry?

You have that guy, Dave Grush.

And so I've been peripherally involved with both of those projects at the Galileo Project at Harvard.

which is taking a very scientific view, and then the SOUL Foundation, which is looking at this broader aspect, which includes elements like Jacques Vallée and Diana Pasolka and others have talked about.

Some of them say they're extraterrestrial, and some of them say it's more complicated than that, but they haven't gotten into detail with me exactly.

Like, hey, come on.

Yeah.

Most of this was, I think, before many of these people I met before I had even written my simulation book.

Well, me too.

Or they can't talk about it, right?

Right.

It's a bit of both, right?

They can't talk about it.

How do they know?