Chapter 1: What are the intriguing theories discussed at the beginning?
the joe rogan experience train by day joe rogan podcast by night all day by the way diana pasoka says hi oh cool you know her yeah i know her pretty well actually boy her theories are very very very interesting yeah she's a strange person to talk to because you start like You start really considering some of the things she's saying. It's just all the UFO stuff.
I go back and forth on the UFO stuff from it being complete bullshit to like maybe there's something there. I fluctuate throughout the day.
Yeah. Well, we can talk about that. I'm peripherally involved with it.
Jamie, you're making noise over there. Shake the mic off. Yeah. You're peripherally involved with?
With the Galileo Project at Harvard and the Sol Foundation at Stanford, which are like the two academic UFO research groups that are out there. Avi Loeb is running the one at Harvard and Gary Nolan is running that. You had Gary on your show, right?
I have not, but I've been in communication with him. I've talked to him quite a bit. I'm very fascinated by his work.
I'm happy to talk about UFO stuff where it overlaps with simulation theory.
So how did you get involved in this whole theory in the first place? Explain to people your position, if you don't mind, on simulation theory. What do you think is going on?
Yeah, well, so first question, how did I get involved in this, right? So I was a video game developer in Silicon Valley, and then I became an investor in the video game industry, my background's in computer science. And what happened was after I sold my last video game company back in 2016, so we're talking like seven years ago now,
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Chapter 2: How did Rizwan Virk become involved in simulation theory?
Most of us talk about only one, which is AI starts to become super intelligent and It grows exponentially and everything will be different. But I think this idea of the simulation point where we can create simulations that are indistinguishable from reality, and I lay out like 10 stages in my book of all the technology we would need, including brain-computer interfaces like in the Matrix, right?
Or Neuralink.
Or Neuralink, right. We're getting there, right?
Yeah, we're very close.
We're at the beginning of that whole thing. And so that's stage eight, stage seven and stage eight on the way to the simulation point. And, you know, being able to read, but also then being able to write memories as well.
So, the definition of the simulation point is being able to create a virtual reality that is indistinguishable from physical reality with AI characters that are indistinguishable from biological characters. So, you know, you wouldn't be able to tell you're talking to an NPC, basically. Right. We're getting closer to that already, right?
Yes.
Yeah. I mean, there's, like, companies out there doing smart NPCs now inside video games. Right.
Right, but what would be the difference between looking at what is possible in the future and making either a hypothesis or suggesting that that has already taken place? Right.
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Chapter 3: What is the significance of the simulation point in technology?
So what are the values that a bit can have? It's like zero or one. That's it. That's like the basic unit of information. And the bit can only have one of those values. Like on my iPhone or my laptop, if you look down, all the way down into hardware, you can look at the registers. Like when I was at MIT, we actually built a computer in class from scratch.
You'll see there's some voltage that says this is a 1 or this is a 0. Right? That's it. All the computing, everything we're doing with video streaming, like all that stuff, comes down to having a bit that can be either a 0 or a 1. It has to be one or the other. It can't be both. Right. So...
Quantum computing has these things called qubits, Q-U-B-I-T-S, qubits, which a qubit is like Schrodinger's cat. doesn't just have a value of a 1 or a 0. It is in superposition. Superposition means a superset of all the positions that are possible. So how many possibilities are there in a bit 2, right? 0 and 1.
So a qubit is a superposition of a bit, which means it has both values, 0 and 1, until someone measures that bit. So theoretically, that's what allows quantum computers to solve problems that grow exponentially, that are really big. We're still in the early stages, but if you think of an exponential growth problem like cracking encryption ā¦ It can be done by a regular computer.
You can set up your laptop to crack. It'll take like a thousand years or something, right? Because you have to go through every single possible value. So if you have 64 bits, that's like two to the 64 values, which is huge. In fact, there's an old story about the Indian king and the wise man who played chess that illustrates this story of how big that number gets when you have exponential growth.
So there was a king who liked to play chess, and no one wanted to play chess with him anymore because he kept winning. And finally, there's this wise man. He's like, please play chess with me. And the wise man says, okay, I'll play chess with you. If I win, for the first square on the chessboard, you give me one grain of rice.
And then the second square on the chessboard, you double that, two grains of rice. And you double that to four grains of rice and six grains of rice. So we're doubling on each square, right? The king's like, okay, sure. No big deal. It's just a bunch of rice, right?
And so it turns out when the wise man won, by the time you get to two to the 64, because there's 64 squares on the chessboard, that basically it was more rice than would fit in all of India. That's an exponential problem. It just grows so fast. And the reason it grows is there are too many possibilities.
But now this new thing called a qubit is coming along, and the qubit has both possibilities at the same time. So if you have 64 bits and you take all the possible values of those 64 bits, you've got the same number of possibilities as the grains of rice we talked about. It's 2 to the 64. It's a very big number. It's 18 quintillion, right, is the number. There's a game called No Man's Sky.
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Chapter 4: How do quantum mechanics and simulation theory intersect?
But the basic idea ā and I don't know what number we're up to. For a while, it was like you could only have four-bits qubits, kind of like going back to the old ā When we were young, the Apple II or whatever came out. Before that, there were these small 8-bit processor-based kits that people would assemble.
They just couldn't have a lot of data because they just couldn't keep track of that many bits. That's where quantum computers are today. But the idea is if you can have 64 qubits, you can instantaneously solve problems. a problem that is exponential because you can explore all of those at the same time and then when you measure the result.
Now, nobody knows exactly how this works, but the two explanations, okay, coming back, sorry, I know I'm kind of, I'm wondering a bit. Coming back to Schrodinger's cat, we say there's two possibilities, right? So with 64 qubits, there's two to the 64 possibilities, if they're all in superposition. They have all the possible values of it. And so basically, when you measure that,
it brings it back. And so physicists call this the collapse of the probability wave. So there's a probability of all these possibilities, and then it comes down to one. And that's sort of the best, one of the accepted ways that people think this whole thing works. But nobody totally knows. So another guy who was John Wheeler's grad student at Princeton came up with another idea.
And we've heard about this idea from the superhero movies, right? And this is the multiverse idea, right? Yeah. And so basically he said that if you've got Schrodinger's cat, what happens is you're splitting the universe into two different universes. In one of them, the cat is alive. And another one, the cat is dead, right?
So that's the multiverse idea is that when we measure it, we only see one of those two because we're in this universe. But if we happen to be in this other universe, the cat would have been dead, right? The cat is alive here. And so that creates a whole series of possibilities which are being used now in superhero stories all the time.
You've got your different versions of Batman, your different versions of Superman. Spider-Man, yeah. Yeah, the famous Spider-Man meme where you have like the Spider-Men all kind of pointing at each other.
Yeah.
Right. And they have the different actors. So that idea has started to catch on now. It's what I like to call it's past the 10-year-old test. And the 10-year-old test is when a scientific idea gets out there so much that even 10-year-olds can kind of understand it because of superhero movies or because like in the 1930s.
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Chapter 5: What insights does Rizwan Virk share about intuition and life paths?
I feel good. Like, okay, the universe, the game is telling me, you're on the right path. That's the way to do it.
Right. And I think that's the key is we all get different messages for when we're on the right path and when we're not. And I think we sometimes sense that, right? Sometimes things just kind of flow easily and other times they don't necessarily. But yeah, I agree. I think viewing the game in that way based on your own signals in your brain, in your body, that is telling you.
Your intuition.
Your intuition, right? Right. And there's different ways to think about that. Some people have suggested, some physicists have suggested that there are these possible futures and that they are sending back information from the future to the present. Because time doesn't really exist the same way. Again, when we get back into quantum mechanics, it starts to be weird.
But there's a guy named Fred Allen Wolfe, who was one of these Berkeley physicists in that book. How the Hippies Save Physics. I don't know if you ever heard of that book, but it was an interesting book about how people in quantum mechanics stopped thinking about what the heck does this mean because it was too complicated back in the 60s.
And in the 70s, a group of hippie physicists, all PhD physicists in Berkeley, used to have this group and talk about what does this all mean. One of the guys was Fritjof Capra, who wrote The Tao of Physics. Another, I think, was Gary Zukav. And a bunch of these guys ended up looking at what does this all mean as opposed to just calculating, which is what physicists were doing at the time.
So one of these guys talks about these futures are sending us information, and sometimes what we get are clues, right, saying that, oh, this is a possibility. Maybe I should choose this over that. It's almost like the futures are sending back these messages to the past, and I think of that as different runs of the game, right? And it's possible there's a part of us
that might be running the game forward as a simulation to try to see what might happen and then come back and then you make a choice based on this idea. There was some guys who wrote a paper recently about dreams as a sort of way to simulate weird, bad experiences, traumatic experiences, maybe preparing you for things in life. But when you start to think about the world as a simulation,
Again, you can simulate more than once, right? You can try out what might happen if you did X or what might happen if you do Y. Kind of like you watch the Lord of the Rings movies, right, probably.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of the Mandela effect on our understanding of reality?
No, no, no, we saw it. You know, this is what happened in the episode. And then you got, like, the whole Sinbad thing, which was a movie that he supposedly made called, was it Kazam or Shazam? It was all called Kazam, but there was actually a movie with Shaq called Shazam. Anyway, there's a whole bunch of these movie-related ones, right?
And there's a bunch of these logo ones, like the Bernstein Bears. But the more interesting ones come, I think, with events, like Mandela. Do you remember Tiananmen Square? What happened to that guy in front of the tank?
He stood in front of the tank and they removed him, right? They didn't run him over. Right. That's what I remember too, right?
But there's a group of people who remember the tank running him over instead of the bloodiest thing they ever saw on television, right? Like this vivid memory of this thing, right? Or like the Reverend Billy Graham, I don't know when he died, but there are these evangelical Christians who say that my parents follow this guy and they got a magazine with him on the cover saying he died.
many years earlier than he actually died, right? And they remember it vividly. And so those events start to become interesting. But the ones that I find really interesting are the ones where there's some interesting evidence, like scripture, right? So people take their scripture pretty seriously, right? Like, do you know the line in Isaiah about the lion and the lamb?
I don't remember it.
Yeah, but you remember there was a line, right, about a lion and a lamb. Well, it turns out there isn't, right? It has something to do with the wolf shall lie with a lamb or something like that, right? And what's weird is that people have like little wall clocks and things with a picture of a lion and a lamb.
But it's not even in the scripture.
It's not in the scripture, right? And I thought, okay, well, maybe it's a translation thing. Maybe one version of the King James Bible has it in the other one. And people are like, no, I have my same physical copy from when I was a kid, and I memorized this particular line. And there are websites that track these different lines, different things that maybe have changed.
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Chapter 7: How does Rizwan Virk connect UAPs to simulation theory?
This is like a famous picture now. In the pose of the thinker, and where is his hand?
On his head.
On his forehead. And he was probably standing right next to where the statue was unveiled. And so you have to start to wonder, why would people do that? Those hands are in a different position too. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting, right?
Yeah, his hand's on his left knee. The other guy's got his hand all the way across onto the other side. Yeah, exactly. And it's a different hand that he's got on his head as well. Right. And if you read like even rodents. Left hand versus right hand.
Right. And so there's almost three versions of this. There's the hand under the chin.
Well, maybe these images are reversed because I'm seeing some with the right hand on his chin. See that one down there, Jamie? The one below that? Yeah, the right hand's on the chin. So there's different versions of the thinker.
Right, right. So let's go back to the one that I saw was the one at Stanford, for example, right?
Okay. But in these poses, in the statues, the hand is always under the chin, but in the images where people are imitating it, the hand is on the head.
The hand is on the head. And you find references to either it being a fist under the chin or slightly under the chin, which is what it is now, right? It's kind of very lightly. Or on the forehead. Now, I'm not necessarily saying that all of this stuff happens.
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Chapter 8: What does the future hold for AI and humanity according to Rizwan Virk?
It's not just a movie line. It's like entire movies, right, that people claim to have had on VHS. Like let's look at the one ā was it the Sinbad one I think, right? So supposedly there was this movie by Sinbad.
Sinbad the comedian.
Yeah, the comedian, right, in the 90s that people remember having with their VHS tapes. And they were sitting there and they were rewinding it and they were talking about specific scenes from it, right? And Sinbad was like, well, of course, I've never made that movie. I think it was called Kazam, right? Shazam.
Shazam. Yeah, Kazam is the real movie.
Yeah, that's right. So it's called Shazam was the one that people remember. So but Shazam was the actual movie with Shaq. Right. In the 90s. So most people say, you know, this. OK, that was the real movie that we remember. Right. And yet Kazam. Right. And yet all these people remember Sinbad.
They were in this because they made a joke on like April Fool's Day that they made like a fake movie where it looked like that was real. So people started pulling that back up now and be like, look, the movie is real. So it kind of confused this Mandela effect.
It did. In fact, Simbad shot a scene just for the hell of it because he says people say that I was in this movie that I was never in. Right. So he shot a scene and put it up on YouTube or something. How weird. Isn't that strange? OK. But again, whether you believe this or not.
What a simulation idea, this is how I got deep in the rabbit hole, is this idea that you can run something multiple times. And when you do, you may be remembering a previous run of the simulation. Right. So, you know, there might have been a run where, let's say, you never moved to Austin. Right. And maybe you remember something from it. But it brings up the possibility.
In fact, you may have seen the movie The Adjustment Bureau with Matt Damon and Emily Blunt. No. So that was also based on a Philip K. Dick novel, right? So Philip K. Dick keeps coming up in these discussions. Ping Pong, for some reason, always keeps coming up in these discussions. So he wrote a story called The Adjustment Team.
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