Rizwan Virk

And that becomes part of our script in life.

Like how did I know I wanted to be a computer programmer?

I don't know.

Why do some people want to become podcasters or fighters or comedians?

It's like we have these things inside of us that sometimes feel they're like something we're just drawn to.

It's just something we're meant to do.

Now, Malcolm Gladwell wrote that book.

I think it's called Outliers, which says if you spend 10,000 hours doing something, you become an expert.

My question is more...

what drives somebody to spend 10,000 hours doing this versus that, right?

I mean, I have friends who are rock climbers.

They've probably spent 10,000 hours climbing rocks.

I don't have any desire to spend 10,000 hours.

But I probably spent 10,000 hours programming when I was younger.

It was just something I was naturally drawn to.

I was good at, right?

And I feel like these are part of the quests or achievements that we have in life.

Yeah.

I mean, in fact, it was partly for me going through some difficulty that got me to write this book finally because I've been thinking about it for years.

So I ended up – I was kind of at the height of my entrepreneurial career, had sold my video game company, the Japanese, to a Japanese company.