Rob Cesternino

I'm not great at playing it myself, but I do know a lot about it.

Yeah, we call it social strategy games in reality television where, you know, there's strategy, but it's also about your relationships.

And I feel like I wasn't necessarily great at knowing who the traitors were.

I didn't really, I'm not a vibes person.

And some people are like, okay, I can tell the vibes are off with that person.

But I feel like if you put me in a situation, I'm going to, like, that doesn't make sense.

Well, it's interesting because I've been following along a little bit with your journeys with these shows.

And I think it's interesting that you have really connected more with the actual survival elements.

And it's, you know, it's hard because I think that with Survivor in its 50th season, that so many of the people who have watched the show over the years, they sort of like, okay, they take that stuff for granted, right?

And they aren't really as focused on that and they are more interested in the game and obviously these returning players in this season.

But I also talk to a lot of people who are sort of a little bit more of, and I hope this doesn't come across as offensive.

No, offend me, please.

They call them casual viewers of like, hey, I look at Survivor, but it's not the most important thing to me.

I'm on my phone.

Maybe I might not watch a season.

And I'm sort of like in and out with Survivor.

And I do feel like that for the people who are more of the casual viewers of Survivor, that is a really important part of the show.

And so that they get a lot of feedback from the show, from the people on the internet who are very active and have opinions about everything.

And they're like, we need less of that stuff.

But for the person who is probably the bigger percentage of the audience where, you know, this is a show where we just had like this big fan vote and the fan vote has been probably a little bit more siding with that casual audience because it's so massive that