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So it's not just Trump.

I know that Howard Lutnick is mentioned.

There are other officials.

Yeah.

That is actually unusual.

The poor lady, she was swimming close to shore in between the flags on a spectacularly beautiful winter's day.

The water was clear and, yeah, she was just very, very, very unlucky.

Well, it is and it isn't.

I mean, Tony should know better.

He was the Prime Minister at one stage.

And unfortunately, you're right, it's a gut response.

If something comes to harm someone, then we always want to feel like we sort of overreact because we feel like we haven't protected them in advance because, of course, we're not going to put her arm back by doing that.

And we're not going to help save other people in the future either, unfortunately.

No, shark numbers aren't rising, but there is a lot of movement occurring.