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Rob, Luisa, and the 80000 Hours team

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And perhaps it won't be again in future.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

I think it's like,

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

I don't know.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

I'm always reluctant to say that anything is a blind spot because I always feel annoyed when people say that about me.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

But I think this is something that I think will be more salient to other generations of people in the future or from people who are further away from this present moment than it is to us who are living through it.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

That's my guess.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Okay, so what are the ways in which you think liberalism might be less competitive as a system and less attractive, less appealing a way of organizing society post-AGI than it is today?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

I see.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So we almost have to imagine a hypothetical society in which no one can make anything.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

There's no economic production occurring, at least among this group.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

There's just a fixed endowment of resources that they happen to have found and run into a certain amount of food, a certain amount of houses, and all of that.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And they've got to figure out how to organize themselves.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

I guess...

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It's not necessarily desirable for me for you to have free speech and to be able to advocate for yourself all that well, or to be able to like educate yourself and become more and more powerful and influential because it is completely zero sum.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

The more influential you become, the more you'll be able to advocate for getting stuff that is literally like food out of my mouth or like money out of my bank account.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Is that the main thing that has changed?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So to push back on this, what other sort of positive sum dynamics might continue to exist?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

I mean, I guess in as much as people all think that the thing that I want to do is the morally right thing, then they might โ€“ and there are other people who like also are pursuing that goal.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Even if they disagree about specifically what that is, they might still be in favor of pluralism because that might help โ€“ they might think that that will โ€“

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

lead them to like converge on a good answer.