Rob, Luisa, and the 80000 Hours team

Rudolf Lane.

Rudolf Lane.

Yeah.

I guess it was like pointing to similar themes, similar dynamics to the ones you're talking about, especially with, in as much as humans are not doing useful work, like how do they maintain economic or political influence over things?

People could find it, yeah, intelligence curse, it's quite interesting.

I think they have launched, like I can't remember if it's Luke or Rolf or both of them, who launched like workshoplabs.ai, kind of a new project that I think is focused on this intelligence curse issue.

Yes.

You're an advisor, right?

What are they up to?

How do they think it's going to help?

Okay, so I think you and I agreed that in the long term, humans end up fully substituted by AI.

Yes.

But in the short to medium term, there's a question of like, are they more substituted or more complemented?

And that would depend in part on like what technologies we've developed first and like whether we try really hard to make them substitutes or make them complements.

You're saying Workshop Labs is an attempt to like, let's find this, let's push on the complementarity.

Let's try to make them as complementarity and get them to work together productively as much as possible so we can kind of extend the complementary era.

Okay, so even if it's like not flesh and blood me doing it, I've created a kind of digital, an AI avatar of me that would do similar things to what I would do, but faster and better and more precisely.

And so that's the thing that I would unleash on the world.

But I suppose I would have to pay for it to be operating, for it to have compute?

But as brilliant as I am, David, I'm not sure that training an AI to mimic me is better than training it just to be more intelligent in general.