Rob, Luisa, and the 80000 Hours team

Or is it like operating at a different scale that it's pretty difficult for any company to move the needle here?

I think some people's reaction to this is why do you think that we're like humanity or like our countries are so stupid that they will kind of sleep or like this will begin to happen.

It's like developing over time.

It's a gradual thing that's happening over years.

Wouldn't we like to take more decisive action to prevent it?

I guess part of your story is that all of these things like interlock.

So it's like people are gradually becoming like a bit enfeebled.

They're becoming like poor relative to other entities.

They're like losing their political influence potentially.

They're just like, they're not as culturally influential either because frankly their output is not, the podcast that they're making is just like not at the cutting edge anymore.

Is there more to say to it than that?

Yeah, they just like one another on a personal level.

On top of everything else.

How about just not building AGI or delaying the day that we build AGI as an approach to handling all this?

Like waiting until we've done a whole lot more work to figure out how to avoid gradual disempowerment among other problems.

Okay, so there's two arguments.

One is it's not realistically going to happen.

The companies are not going to all come together.

I'd agree not to build AGI or even really to slow it down very much.

So it's not a big focus just because of its unlikeliness.