Rob, Luisa, and the 80000 Hours team

But even if they did, potentially they're just opening the field for the government to run an AGI superintelligence program and develop its own government-aligned AGI first, which is perhaps nutty.

even any better.

Yeah.

Could you see there being, you know, if there are warning shots, like things start going badly with AI in some dimensions or there's like very scandalous outcomes, could you see there being a big sea change in public opinion that could lead to significant slowdowns?

Sounds pretty stupid, but also very possible.

One thing I'm curious about is, so you're a professor of computer science and your background is in ML, right?

So you did more like technical work before.

I feel like whatever this is, it doesn't feel like classic computer science.

I guess you have tenure now, so perhaps you don't have to worry quite as much as you used to about the opinions of your colleagues.

What's the reception among academics of you doing this kind of work and your faculty?

Do they love it?

Do they love the attention it gets or are they frustrated?

Okay, and that's basically a selection effect that everyone who didn't think that has left academia and is making bank.

Well, yeah, I think those folks are in for a little bit of a surprise if they think that AI is not going to be able to contribute to maths or philosophy.

Yeah, for better or worse.

My guest today has been David Duveno.

Thanks so much for coming on the 80,000 Hours Podcast, David.