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Rob Walling

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Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

We have invested in LLCs and entities from other countries and it is a significant burden financially and time-wise to do that.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

Now we know why venture capitalists don't do that.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

But realistically, if you want to raise additional funding later, or if you want to, you know, have a significant exit, it's certainly a decent signal to have that C Corp.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

So thanks for that question, Ryan.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

Hope it was helpful.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

My next question is from Alan Reed.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

The subject is exit multiples based on top-line revenue.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

When people talk about exit multiples, they usually focus on top-line revenue, especially ARR.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

There seems to be much less emphasis on EBITDA or free cash flow.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

Why is that?

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

All else being equal, is a company with higher ARR but lower free cash flow really worth more than a company with lower ARR but stronger free cash flow?

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

I've heard that exit multiples typically range from 4 to 7x ARR.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

Does that range factor in differences in profitability?

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

This is a good question, Alan.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

People talk about exit multiples, including me,

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

in terms of ARR, only when we're talking about SaaS, because SaaS is the best business model in the world.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

So you don't talk about ARR or even just top line revenue exit multiples with e-commerce, with agencies, with content sites, with other types of online businesses, because they just don't sell for that.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

Those are sold like more traditional businesses.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

And the reason we talk about it on this show as ARR is because SaaS is one of the only businesses that sells for top line revenue multiples because SaaS is such an incredible recurring business model.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

And especially if you achieve net negative churn, you can really have incredible multiples on that ARR.