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Rob Walling

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Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

When you sell a SaaS company for, let's say it's around 2 million is where the crossover point is, 2 million and up.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

And that used to be lower.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

It used to be about a million, but then times change.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

Inflation, you know, it's inflation and different economic times.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

If you sell for two million and up, you should be, I'll say, thinking in terms of an ARR multiple, even if you're not growing quickly.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

Let's say you're flat or just growing 10% a year or something and you're at two million.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

I would be looking at a one to two X ARR multiple as a loose rule of thumb.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

And there is no other business type that that's really a thing.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

It's just so often talked about as an EBITDA multiple.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

And if you're at 2 or 3 million, or 5 million, it doesn't really matter, and you've doubled in the last year, let's say you grew 100%, yeah, you're talking 5 to 10x ARR, 4 to 8x, somewhere in that range.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

And it can be higher than that.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

I've seen a 15x ARR multiple on a business doing several million because it hadn't had any return and it just was an intense bidding war.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

It's a marketplace, it's an auction, right?

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

So when we give these multiples, think of them like a bell curve.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

And I can say, well, the smallest one I've ever seen is a 0.5x ARR and the highest one I've ever seen is a 20x ARR and those are

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

factual statements.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

But if you look across 100 sales, the big bell in the middle is probably at 5x or something, you know, and then it goes out from there and gets smaller on each side to the point where, oh, there's only, you know, there's 10 in the middle, and then there's eight and eight on each side, and then there's six and six, and it just kind of slopes down until you have I seen one that's old for point five x and one that's old for 20.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

Sure.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

That doesn't mean that that's the range.

Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 819 | QSBS, Exit Multiples, How to Learn Marketing, and More Listener Questions (Rob Solo)

I'm not going to say it's 0.5x to 20 because that's not helpful for anyone.