Rob Walling

And. I'm trying to figure out how to ask this question delicately, but could you have found that out before writing the code? And do you feel like you were... Do you have a regret about spending the time writing the code? Or was getting your shipping muscle working again worth it?

And. I'm trying to figure out how to ask this question delicately, but could you have found that out before writing the code? And do you feel like you were... Do you have a regret about spending the time writing the code? Or was getting your shipping muscle working again worth it?

Yeah. Economics don't work out. Do you think it is, it is tasteless to say that, um, get podcast leads was your rebound relationship after hello query? It was like, I knew it wasn't going to work out, but I don't regret it.

Yeah. Economics don't work out. Do you think it is, it is tasteless to say that, um, get podcast leads was your rebound relationship after hello query? It was like, I knew it wasn't going to work out, but I don't regret it.

While getpodcastleads.com may not have been the runaway success she envisioned, it reignited her so-called shipping muscle. It was a necessary step, a rebound relationship of sorts that ultimately led her to her next endeavor.

While getpodcastleads.com may not have been the runaway success she envisioned, it reignited her so-called shipping muscle. It was a necessary step, a rebound relationship of sorts that ultimately led her to her next endeavor.

And describe how it works. Who would be a user at a company? And what is, I know that I've seen the interface. It's relatively simple. So describe like what it does.

And describe how it works. Who would be a user at a company? And what is, I know that I've seen the interface. It's relatively simple. So describe like what it does.

Internal users.

Internal users.

This reminds me of a quote that you said in the last episode where you said, looking back, we should have shipped SQL to CSV because we could have done it quickly. And you and Aaron conflicted on that viewpoint. This feels like an AI-assisted SQL to CSV, or at least the vision that you had. Would you agree with that?

This reminds me of a quote that you said in the last episode where you said, looking back, we should have shipped SQL to CSV because we could have done it quickly. And you and Aaron conflicted on that viewpoint. This feels like an AI-assisted SQL to CSV, or at least the vision that you had. Would you agree with that?

Right. And that's something you and I have been talking periodically about. How do you get just a little more data or a little more information so you're not guessing? And you're not just thinking and ruminating, right? Because you and I can sit for two hours and guess what people are going to do.

Right. And that's something you and I have been talking periodically about. How do you get just a little more data or a little more information so you're not guessing? And you're not just thinking and ruminating, right? Because you and I can sit for two hours and guess what people are going to do.

And in fact, I think it was three weeks ago, you and I had a chat and you were asking the question of... I'm concerned. No one's using it. It wasn't launched yet. And I'm concerned. Are people going to be willing to hook up production databases? And on that call, I said, well, go ask them, right? Should you just launch? It was a question. Should you just launch? Like, go tweet it. I'll retweet it.

And in fact, I think it was three weeks ago, you and I had a chat and you were asking the question of... I'm concerned. No one's using it. It wasn't launched yet. And I'm concerned. Are people going to be willing to hook up production databases? And on that call, I said, well, go ask them, right? Should you just launch? It was a question. Should you just launch? Like, go tweet it. I'll retweet it.

See if people do it. And what was that experience like for you?

See if people do it. And what was that experience like for you?

Yeah, and this is a luxury. You know, there's this often this debate of like, should I build an audience? And you'll see Laura Roeder and Jason Cohen and I on Twitter the other day saying, not for SaaS. If you're going to sell info products, build an audience. Not for SaaS, not worth it. There's other things you should do. But there are exceptions to it.

Yeah, and this is a luxury. You know, there's this often this debate of like, should I build an audience? And you'll see Laura Roeder and Jason Cohen and I on Twitter the other day saying, not for SaaS. If you're going to sell info products, build an audience. Not for SaaS, not worth it. There's other things you should do. But there are exceptions to it.