Rob Walling

And then we rebuilt, we had drip 2.0. It was actually really good automation, all this stuff. And when I went back to my audience, they were like, yeah, we already took a look at that. And like, people didn't want to try it again. Yeah, it was crazy. Multiple people said, oh, I didn't realize that's what it did. Cause they had all given me the benefit of the doubt the first time.

And then we rebuilt, we had drip 2.0. It was actually really good automation, all this stuff. And when I went back to my audience, they were like, yeah, we already took a look at that. And like, people didn't want to try it again. Yeah, it was crazy. Multiple people said, oh, I didn't realize that's what it did. Cause they had all given me the benefit of the doubt the first time.

So that's why one of the reasons I wanted to call this out is A, it is a very fuzzy and cloudy decision and neither you nor I know what the right answer is, but the right answer is to keep pushing forward and to try to get more data on both fronts and to make the best decision you can. Being a founder is making hard decisions with incomplete information.

So that's why one of the reasons I wanted to call this out is A, it is a very fuzzy and cloudy decision and neither you nor I know what the right answer is, but the right answer is to keep pushing forward and to try to get more data on both fronts and to make the best decision you can. Being a founder is making hard decisions with incomplete information.

And you're the perfect example of that right now with just incomplete information on all the fronts. And actually, I posit that it doesn't get any worse than when you are pre-product market fit. That is when you have the least amount of information and the most cloudiness.

And you're the perfect example of that right now with just incomplete information on all the fronts. And actually, I posit that it doesn't get any worse than when you are pre-product market fit. That is when you have the least amount of information and the most cloudiness.

And that's why it's harder to save write blog posts or build frameworks or write books around the pre-product market fit phase that you're in because it is just so... It depends. You have to get more data. You have to make a decision. If you were like, hey, I'm at 10K MRR. I have 10 customers each pay me $1,000 a month. They are all either healthcare startups or IT departments of law.

And that's why it's harder to save write blog posts or build frameworks or write books around the pre-product market fit phase that you're in because it is just so... It depends. You have to get more data. You have to make a decision. If you were like, hey, I'm at 10K MRR. I have 10 customers each pay me $1,000 a month. They are all either healthcare startups or IT departments of law.

I'd be like, great. I can rocket fuel that. We can get that going. There's an engine there, right? But until you get there... it can feel like a bit like wandering in the desert. And it's just, you got to keep going, got to keep shipping, and you got to keep gathering data, which is exactly what you're doing. At this point, we move towards wrapping up the episode, but I left the recording going.

I'd be like, great. I can rocket fuel that. We can get that going. There's an engine there, right? But until you get there... it can feel like a bit like wandering in the desert. And it's just, you got to keep going, got to keep shipping, and you got to keep gathering data, which is exactly what you're doing. At this point, we move towards wrapping up the episode, but I left the recording going.

Colleen and I have been recording this podcast over the course of almost eight months. And I asked her how she was really doing.

Colleen and I have been recording this podcast over the course of almost eight months. And I asked her how she was really doing.

work or not and it's like so it's hard it can be a little bit hard to like get on here and be like yeah this is totally gonna work i know like i'm making all these decisions all of that is true yeah but um you know you don't have to say it's gonna work though don't feel like you have to say and don't even feel like you have to be a beat yeah you didn't you don't have to say that you don't have to fake it you don't have to you don't have to even be a beat you could come on and i could interview you you could be like i feel terrible about this and i'm super doubtful and i'm thinking about shutting it down if you wanted to say that say that be authentic to yourself like

work or not and it's like so it's hard it can be a little bit hard to like get on here and be like yeah this is totally gonna work i know like i'm making all these decisions all of that is true yeah but um you know you don't have to say it's gonna work though don't feel like you have to say and don't even feel like you have to be a beat yeah you didn't you don't have to say that you don't have to fake it you don't have to you don't have to even be a beat you could come on and i could interview you you could be like i feel terrible about this and i'm super doubtful and i'm thinking about shutting it down if you wanted to say that say that be authentic to yourself like

You're not there. I don't I don't feel like I'm not there.

You're not there. I don't I don't feel like I'm not there.

At this point, I stop the recording. I think most founders have experienced this feeling, wanting to be further along, wishing they had a clear direction to work toward. One thing is certain, Colleen's journey is far from over. With each twist and turn, she learns, adapts, and keeps shipping, even when it's really freaking hard.

At this point, I stop the recording. I think most founders have experienced this feeling, wanting to be further along, wishing they had a clear direction to work toward. One thing is certain, Colleen's journey is far from over. With each twist and turn, she learns, adapts, and keeps shipping, even when it's really freaking hard.

Colleen stands at a crossroads, torn between a couple of promising options. What decision will she make? And will she find traction? That's next time on Tiny Seat Tales.

Colleen stands at a crossroads, torn between a couple of promising options. What decision will she make? And will she find traction? That's next time on Tiny Seat Tales.