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Rob Wiblin

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2780 total appearances

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80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

We're getting to the end eventually.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

You might be under the impression that AI companies are selling access to their AI models at below what it costs to supply them in order to pull in customers, get them hooked, a bit like Uber did back in the day.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

But that's not the case.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

The companies are clearly making money on each additional paying user who signs up.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

Now, there's also the essential issue of fixed costs.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

They need to make enough profit from those customers to pay the fixed costs of their sales and marketing team, the research and development teams.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

The staff can be very expensive.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

And of course, the cost of the compute to train the models in the first place, which is one of their biggest costs.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

but they're making a profit on each new customer and they're growing revenue five fold a year.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

That sounds like they're on a reasonable track to become profitable to me.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

And that's even setting aside the possibility that they might fully replace human labor or build a super intelligent machine god at some point, which I think would surely change the game.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

So that is all a lot to digest.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

I've been trying to give an overview of the things that we learned last year, but where does it leave us overall?

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

Well, personally, I would be pretty shocked if we got fully automated AI research and development next year.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

2028, I guess it's imaginable, but it's gonna require some surprising breakthroughs or an acceleration beyond what we're seeing right now.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

2029, 2030, it begins to feel plausible.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

At least we can't rule it out if current trends continue and we don't hit any significant new roadblocks.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

But there's also a very real chance that we're in for a significantly longer and slower takeoff.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

But let's put this into a broader context.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What the hell happened with AGI timelines in 2025?

Previous guest of the show, Helen Toner, wrote an article last year titled, Long Timelines to Advanced AI Have Gotten Crazy Short.