Rob Wiblin

Yeah.

Okay.

So it was people being, it's eventually hard to motivate a workforce that's used to working together, just stuff at home, or you have to like start thinking a lot about people's mental health and how they're doing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Was there anything you did to help maintain your mental health during COVID?

Yeah, makes sense.

Yeah, are there any instructive mistakes that you've made at some point in your career that you'd be open to sharing?

Yeah, in thinking about whether to do more COVID work, I suppose one issue is you specialised in doing this other thing, which is getting kids vaccinated, and maybe your programs work better for that.

There's also just the issue that COVID is quite deadly, but so are all of these other diseases that you're trying to get kids vaccinated for so they don't die.

And doing the thing that's most topical, like getting people vaccinated for COVID, might just seem straightforwardly worse on a cost-effectiveness point of view than trying to get more children vaccinated with even more effective vaccines against even more deadly illnesses.

Yeah, yeah.

Do you have any general life advice that you think is underrated?

Yeah, I guess, well, talking more loudly in a public space isn't super important itself.

But I guess the idea is you're training this general ability when it does actually matter at some point to be able to violate convention or do something that you haven't done before.

Yeah, collect them in what way?

Oh, I see.

Oh, the idea is you should consider it a success every time you're rejected for a job or a grant or something, because that makes it more motivating to do it.

Yeah, that's super interesting.

There's some people on Twitter who I think they publish like every time they get rejected for a paper from a journal or every time they get turned down for a job and things like that.