Rob Wiblin

This was like a slightly odd thing to dwell on.

But I think it is super important because for people who want to go into entrepreneurship, or just in general, their plan for impact involves taking risk later in their career, we often suggest it's like quite valuable to save money, because that just might be the thing that prevents you from doing it later on if you don't feel like you have a reasonable like financial safety net.

And I guess with partners as well, it makes sense potentially for one partner in a relationship to have a more risky career and the other one to have a more solid career and you can get a

Yeah, so he's supportive of having impact with your career.

That's an important priority for him as well?

Okay, cool, cool.

What's been most difficult about founding Civita that people might possibly not suspect?

Yeah.

What was your approach?

I think some organizations, they froze their projects kind of and tried to save money.

And they were like, we'll call you staff when we're ready to kick things up again.

Did you consider doing that or indeed possibly do that?

Yeah.

Okay.

So it was people being, it's eventually hard to motivate a workforce that's used to working together, just stuff at home, or you have to like start thinking a lot about people's mental health and how they're doing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Was there anything you did to help maintain your mental health during COVID?

Yeah, makes sense.

Yeah, are there any instructive mistakes that you've made at some point in your career that you'd be open to sharing?