Rob Wiblin

Yeah, in thinking about whether to do more COVID work, I suppose one issue is you specialised in doing this other thing, which is getting kids vaccinated, and maybe your programs work better for that.

There's also just the issue that COVID is quite deadly, but so are all of these other diseases that you're trying to get kids vaccinated for so they don't die.

And doing the thing that's most topical, like getting people vaccinated for COVID, might just seem straightforwardly worse on a cost-effectiveness point of view than trying to get more children vaccinated with even more effective vaccines against even more deadly illnesses.

Yeah, yeah.

Do you have any general life advice that you think is underrated?

Yeah, I guess, well, talking more loudly in a public space isn't super important itself.

But I guess the idea is you're training this general ability when it does actually matter at some point to be able to violate convention or do something that you haven't done before.

Yeah, collect them in what way?

Oh, I see.

Oh, the idea is you should consider it a success every time you're rejected for a job or a grant or something, because that makes it more motivating to do it.

Yeah, that's super interesting.

There's some people on Twitter who I think they publish like every time they get rejected for a paper from a journal or every time they get turned down for a job and things like that.

It's this funny sort of, what do you call it, temptation bundling.

Or maybe it's not quite temptation bundling, but I think...

It's unpleasant to be rejected for a paper or for a job or a grant or whatever else.

But then if you can make content out of it where you get to share your misery with the public and people get to talk about how, well, of course, everyone has been turned down for so many things before.

It somehow makes it, I think, perhaps more enjoyable or motivating for folks because they get to share their frustration.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I guess it's the challenge with all sorts of discussion about how to be more successful or all lifestyle advice is that you only get this top 10% of like things that people think that they work, things that they're willing to share, which is not most of our lives.

We like prefer to keep it private rather than sharing on social media or putting it in a podcast, which can very much bias kind of all kinds of things you hear.