Rob Wiblin

I mean, of course, to some extent, we're all irrational.

But when people are like, no, you just read too much science fiction and you're delusional.

I'm like, no, I'm not.

That's not it.

So maybe even if I do have these beliefs about other people, I don't expect it to persuade them very, very often.

And I almost feel like you need to go out of your way to try to engage with the substance of what they're saying, even if you think that maybe that's not doing the heavy lifting.

Do you have any thoughts on that?

Yeah, totally.

Yeah, I think my best guess is that the cat and mouse game that Anthropic is playing is more likely than not to be sufficient to prevent catastrophic misalignment and loss of control.

But I'm like, better odds than 50%.

It's like not sufficient in my mind.

I'm like, oh, why can't we get to 90% or 99%?

And there it feels like we just are nowhere near having the kind of really strong evidence or guarantees that we would need to feel that good.

I mean, I think I'm probably willing to run a little bit more risk than that because there are other risks that AI would help us to reduce, right?

So maybe like 99% would be... No, no.

Oh, okay.

I see.

Yeah.

And we're a long ways from fixing that.

I guess we've had a lot of coverage of that on the show over the last year.