Rob Wiblin

I guess it's become a more salient issue.

Is there anything that you would want to direct people who want to focus on that too in particular?

You made a massive shift in what you were working on in 2022 and 2023, I guess, from going to focusing on capabilities to focusing on reliability and safety and so on.

Do you think other people in AI who are more senior perhaps underestimate their ability to make a big career change and to switch their focus?

I guess Hinton did roughly the same thing, right?

I mean, I feel like there's reasonably good money to be made in alignment and safety and reliability work as well, but- Not as much.

Not as much.

No, it is less, but- Yeah.

Good by any normal standard.

Back in 2023, I think you gave a PDoom of 20% in an interview.

I haven't seen a PDoom that you've given anyone since then.

Would you venture to say whether that's gone up or down, or are you staying out of the PDoom game?

It's a funny question.

Back in 2019, you'd heard the arguments, but you weren't bought in.

What would you say to someone who is still today where you were in 2019, who has managed to get through the rest of this interview?

What would you want to communicate to them?

My guest today has been Yoshua Bengio.

Thanks so much for coming on the 80,000 Hours Podcast, Yoshua.

Thanks for having me.

And thanks for all you're doing.