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Rob Wiblin

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

It's not just hypocrisy, though.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

I count at least three distinct charges critics have levelled at Anthropic and people who support them in their dispute with the Pentagon.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

I mentioned the hypocrisy charge, but there's a separate accusation of naivete, that when you're building something as powerful as AI, the state will inevitably crush you if you try to set conditions on their use of it.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

And so Anthropic was in the wrong to pick this fight.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

And third, there's an accusation of being undemocratic, that a private company has no business telling the elected government what it can and can't do with military technology.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

I'm going to take each of these charges seriously and explain where I think they go wrong and why.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Let's dive in.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Let's start with hypocrisy because it's the charge I hear most often and the most straightforward of the three.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Just to quickly jog your memory about the dispute we're talking about.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Anthropic had a contract with the Pentagon that included two restrictions on the use of their AI.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

No mass domestic surveillance and no decisions to kill people made by artificial intelligence alone.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

The Trump administration demanded those restrictions be removed, Anthropic refused, and rather than merely ending the contract, which people by and large agree would have been fine, Secretary of War and Defense Pete Hegseth declared Anthropic a supply chain risk, a designation previously used only for foreign adversaries, in so doing threatening the company's ability to do much business in the United States at all.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

The case to overturn that designation has attracted support from expected allies and unexpected ones alike, including Antarctic's competitors OpenAI and Microsoft, as well as conservative technology experts, who for the most part otherwise agree with the Trump administration's approach to AI.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

For years, people in the AI safety world, absolutely including me, have argued that frontier AI is too important and too dangerous to leave entirely in the hands of private companies.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

We've called for government oversight, safety standards, a wide range of different things.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

So the hypocrisy logic runs.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

You want a government control of AI.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Well, now you've got government control of AI, so why complain?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

But state the obvious.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Supporting public oversight of frontier AI training doesn't require you to support the government's strong-arming a company into allowing its product to be used for domestic mass surveillance.