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Rob Wiblin

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

that OpenAI or XAI, that they're offering them looser contractual terms on business contracts, that would hardly make them safe if the concern were really that a private company could very quickly accumulate military power to rival the entire US government.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

That'd be presumably be thinking about rules to prevent something that's explosive being built by incompetent idiots or built in such a way that the designs get leaked to China.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

They would likely propose some legislation to Congress that would enable them to handle the many other issues that this is going to create down the road.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

And they would presumably try to keep AI researchers roughly on their side, not alienate them on an unprecedented scale over a relatively minor issue.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

But none of that is happening.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Indeed, it's generally antithetical to current US government policy.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

What is happening is that one company is getting punished for rejecting the government's proposed terms in a contract dispute.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Thompson's high-level abstract arguments about AI's transformative power justifying government intervention, they probably make sense.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

I kind of agree with them.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

But it's hard to find evidence that that argument is what's motivating the government's particular actions in this dispute with Anthropic.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Let's turn to the third charge, that Anthropic's position is an undemocratic one, that by setting conditions on how the military uses its technology, Anthropic is in effect usurping a role that properly belongs to elected leaders.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

The strongest version of that argument came from Palmer Luckey, the founder of military contractor Angero.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Luckey thinks the core two questions are, do we believe in democracy, and should our military be regulated by our elected leaders or corporate executives?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

He goes on to argue that even seemingly innocuous terms and conditions, like you cannot target innocent civilians, they evolve difficult judgment calls about what counts as a civilian, what counts as targeting, and so on.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

And under Anthropic's proposed framework, Anthropic will get some say on those questions, questions that really feel like government policy decisions.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Blackie sees that set up as fundamentally at odds with democratic self-government.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Lucky is pointing to a legitimate issue here.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

From the government's perspective, it's most straightforward for your military operations to be unconstrained by the opinions and moral qualms of your suppliers.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Even to me, that practical worry is a potentially reasonable argument for the government to end their contract with Anthropic and look for other AI providers who are more straightforward to work with.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

The story is a little bit more complicated than sometimes portrayed though.