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Rob Wiblin

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

But the post then slips from attempting to describe reality into a prescription of what we should accept and how we ought to react to it, literally arguing that possessing overwhelming might can make your actions right.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

It's actually pretty easy to accidentally equivocate between something being predictable on the one hand and it being acceptable on the other.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

And I think Thompson here was being very sincere and saw himself as pointing out some hard truths.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

And he did have useful things to say in that post.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

But it really is very dangerous to start seeing harmful or unlawful actions as unobjectionable just because they're not surprising or because they're being done by very powerful actors.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

As to whether it's naive and pointless to object in this case, that remains to be seen.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Anthropix Resistance has galvanized something like 90% of the tech industry to oppose the use of the supply chain risk designation for this purpose.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Companies that have previously stayed quiet have been alarmed enough by the potential precedent that they're joining the effort to push back.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Past guest of the show, Dean Bull, who wrote AI policy for the Trump administration.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

He called the attempted corporate murder of Anthropic perhaps the most dangerous policy move he'd ever seen the US government try to take.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

A high bar, surely.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

And using AI for surveillance or fully autonomous kill chains is even more controversial in Silicon Valley now than it was before.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

And it was already pretty controversial.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

The US is still a nation of laws for the most part, and legal analysts give Anthropic a good chance of prevailing in court, likely even securing a preliminary injunction to block the order before this video goes out.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

If that happens, the naive company will have established a legal precedent that helps protect the entire AI industry from economic coercion.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

A risky path to choose perhaps, but not necessarily a stupid one.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Second, in the rest of the post, Thompson gives interesting arguments for what views might sensibly motivate the kind of extreme action the Pentagon has taken here.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

But when you look at the specifics of this actual case, those motivations, they just don't seem to be what's driving things.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

If the US government had genuinely just become convinced that AI companies were building something as dangerous as private nuclear weapons, what might we expect them to do?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Well, they'd presumably focus on the whole AI industry, not single out the one company that was most proactive about working with them and alerting them to exactly this risk.