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Rob Wiblin

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

But there's no rule that says you're only allowed to evaluate the process, never the outcome that the process would actually produce in real life.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Noticing the tension between these two things and weighing them against one another isn't hypocritical.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

It's clear thinking.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

The second line of criticism is that Anthropic was naive or foolish to resist the government's demands in this case.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

The most influential version of this line of argument comes from Ben Thompson at the blog Stratechery.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Thompson's reasoning runs roughly like this.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Dario Amadei, the CEO of Anthropic, he's very publicly compared advances in AI to nuclear weapons.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Well, if AI really is that powerful, then any company building it is constructing a power base that could rival the US military.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Realistically, no government is going to tolerate that.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

And Thompson also observes that international law is ultimately a function of power.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

That might still makes right.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

And he applies that same logic domestically, reaching a stark conclusion.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

Anthropic either had to accept a fully subservient position relative to the US government, or the US government would invariably try to destroy it.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

I'll evaluate the two underlying arguments in turn.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

That the government's actions here are so natural, it's absurd and counterproductive to object to them.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

And secondly, that the government was motivated by fears of a private company threatening their sovereignty.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

First up, Thompson's piece opens with a long passage, arguing that international law is essentially fake, that power dynamics determine behaviour at the international level.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

He then applies that same realist framework to Anthropic.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

The company is fundamentally misaligned with reality for resisting demands from the executive branch, which is, after all, so, so much more powerful than it as a private company.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Is there a case against Anthropic? And: The Meta leaks are worse than you think.

As a prediction of how powerful actors tend to behave, that may be correct, at least to a large extent.