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Rob Wiblin

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
2780 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

Like, do you have like auditors in there being like, what are you working on?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

What are you working on to like all the team leads in the companies and like, you know, checking off that they have that it's 50% safety.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

I can imagine stuff like that.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

I think it would require like extremely technically deep regulators that like we just don't really have right now, I think.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

Yeah, I think that's a possibility.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

I don't think it's the most likely way it fails.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

On my views, I think the most likely way it fails is that they don't go super hard on it.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

But I think it's also plausible that they're just trying to get the AIs to help with alignment and the AIs are just like,

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

misaligned and the control procedures and other things are like ineffective and so they just deliberately only help with further AI R&D and don't help with alignment and safety and biodefense and like all these other things you'd want them to help with.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

I would hope that at that stage the transparency regime is strong enough that that fact

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

is broadcast really widely.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

And then that could inspire a change in policy that causes us to slow down.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

But then in that world, it's a bad world even if we do slow down a lot because we're just on our own.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

We have to do this stuff without the AI's help because we can't get them to help us.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

But I'm actually reasonably bullish about control techniques getting...

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

early AIs that are not super galaxy brain super intelligences to be helpful for a range of stuff that they're good at.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

Yeah, I do think anything that requires a large corporation to be super discontinuous in something it's doing is facing big headwinds as a plan.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

So I would hope that they're sort of smoothly increasing the amount of internal inference compute that is going towards safety.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

as the AIs get better and better so that the jump doesn't have to be huge at that final stage.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

And that is something that if we could elicit honest reports without creating perverse incentives, that's something I'd want to know about.