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Rob Wiblin

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80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

Among others, you're gonna suggest, for example, that we should aim to have like broad spectrum antivirals, broad spectrum vaccines that can potentially give us immunity to an entire class of viruses rather than just like an individual strain.

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

But as the technology advances further, you might imagine that a really hostile actor that also has access to these incredible AI biology design tools is going to be able to cherry pick the exact strain of virus, be able to design something that can evade the known vaccines that you've distributed to your population trying to defend them.

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

So what would you say to someone, perhaps me, or I guess another pessimistic feeling listener who might feel like, why should I stick around to hear the rest of this?

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

This just seems like such a difficult situation.

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

So hopeless that I just think that we're not going to be able to make a real dent on the size of the risk.

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

Medicine.

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

Okay, let's talk about access controls first.

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

What is worth doing on access controls?

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

And do you agree with my take that it's kind of more of a delaying tactic than anything else?

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

A really relevant audience question that was repeated by multiple people is, which do you think is generating more of the risk, open source models or closed source models?

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

So it depends on the actor.

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

So to sum that up, is it that for amateur actors or novice actors, the open weight models are enough to help them because they need help with more basic stuff.

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

They don't need to be doing cutting-edge science.

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

For the much more capable actors, like as bioweapons programs, you know...

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

academics in the field, it's the very best models that are actually going to be moving the needle for them.

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

I mean, I guess they could work faster with an open source model that's somewhat less impressive.

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

But I suppose you think in terms of the risk generated, what you'd be most worried about with those folks is that they come up with something that's just radically more lethal or radically better at spreading, something that hasn't been done before, basically.

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

Okay, so come back to it.

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

What are your priority asks on access controls?

80,000 Hours Podcast
AI designs genomes from scratch & outperforms virologists at lab work. What could go wrong? | Dr Richard Moulange, CLTR

What do you want the companies or governments to be doing?