Rob Wiblin

So the transition to being more entrepreneurial and more like

I have a little startup making grants in my area and the organization is investing like money in me but not necessarily a lot of like attention and I didn't necessarily have a path to like make arguments that then influenced like stuff in a cross-cutting way that was hard so I think that was interesting to learn about myself that like that's

If I don't have that, I will still sort of gravitate towards trying to like metal in like everything else that's going on.

And if I don't have like a productive path to metal, uh, I'll feel sad.

Um, that was one big thing.

I think another big thing is this, uh, just how much depth do I want?

Like I do think.

Like I have a drive to really like get to the bottom of something or just like I'm always like thinking about the counter argument and the counter argument to the counter argument.

And like the stuff I liked even when I was very young, like I really liked math tutoring and like I really liked math in general because you could just like dig and dig and like get to an answer.

And that's just inherently like an uneasy fit with grant making or just like investing, like Fox stuff.

Yeah, yeah.

So that was also interesting to reflect on.

And like I said, it was like somewhat strangely for my first six or seven years at OpenPhil, I actually just did do like...

Rather deep research, even though we were a grant-making organization.

I just wasn't doing grant-making.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's right.

I think he had a lot of drive and demand for really figuring out timelines, really figuring out takeoff speeds and exactly what our threat models are for whether AI could take over the world and building that all up.

And I think it has a lot of the same,

instinct I have of like, oh, it's just really good to do your homework and it's really good to have the response to the top 10 counter arguments and the response to those responses and just really know your stuff.