Rob Wiblin

And so he was the driver of a lot of the work that I did.

And I think if you had re-rolled the dice and OpenPhil had been run by different leadership, it's probably pretty unlikely we would have gone as deep as we did into doing our own AI

strategy thinking, because the thought would have been like, well, that we should we should fund like a place like FHI, or like now for thought to do that stuff instead of us.

Yeah, so I guess it's been a long time since you've talked about effective altruism in the show.

So I'll just sort of like open with what it even is, which is this movement or idea that

You should think explicitly and seriously and quantitatively about how you can do the most good with your career or with your money that you're donating.

And that different career paths and different charities you could donate to could differ by orders of magnitude and how much good they do.

So like if you are working on reducing climate change, it could be orders of magnitude more helpful to work on researching green technologies versus to work on like getting people to turn off their lights more or like conserve electricity more in their personal use.

And there's this ethos that like.

if you're really taking this seriously and you like really care about, about helping the world, you stop and think, and you do the math, like in the same way that, um, you know, if you, if you had cancer or your spouse had cancer, you would like do the research and like figure out, um, what treatments had what side effects and what treatments had what success rates.

And you would ask a lot of questions of the doctor.

Um, there's, there's like this ethos that like

That's what it looks like when you take something seriously.

And a lot of people when they're doing good in the world, they do what makes them feel instinctively good.

And there is like a whole other approach where you sort of respect the intellectual depth of that problem.

And I was really drawn to this.

I sort of fell headfirst into the EA rabbit hole when I was 13.

So it's been more than half my entire life that I've been like extremely involved in this community, this way of thinking.

And I think there were like maybe like three big things that I really, really liked about this approach.

One is just that EA is sort of like