Rob

It's rooted very much in, really, like a lot of it in San Francisco in the 60s, like R. Crumb and Freak Brothers and that sort of stuff.

That's kind of where I...

Yeah, that was like a big opening.

Obviously, my entry to comics was the superhero stuff.

But as a kid, you were into comics?

Yeah, big time into comics.

And an illustrator.

Well, I was drawing as a kid.

Imagine if I was 11 and called myself an illustrator.

No, I would just draw all the time.

I mean, from the beginning.

It was way before music, way before anything else.

Drawing was my...

was just my outlet.

And it still is.

And so once I got into the kind of crevices of comics with Crumb and then pulling deeper into kind of more contemporary stuff at the time in the 90s when I was a kid, a lot of the stuff from Fanta Graphics, the publishing company that put out some Crumb stuff and they put out

um some dan clowes and and pete bagg with hate and um that stuff just started to open up a whole world to me and yeah i remember being on a family vacation in seattle i was uh 13 because it was just down the board you know on the other side of the border on near vancouver island uh going to seattle and like this is where fanagraphics

This is where Fantagraphics are.

And I remember I went to a pay phone and I like found their phone number in the back of a comic and I tried to call them and get set up a, I wanted to see their warehouse or something.

I had no idea.