Robert Diamant

You know what I mean?

It was it was very like contemporary, but it was so beautifully installed and it kind of really elevated these fashion kind of items into something of worth.

You know what I mean?

Not just things you wear and throw away.

It's like this creativity and sculptural elements of these clothes.

The National Portrait Gallery is a really interesting idea for you as well because you know if you think about this idea of persona and kind of inventing reinventing yourself maybe you could just look at a painting there and kind of like make up these stories of who these people are even though there's factual stories of course behind who they are but so much of like the layers of their clothes and like

what the painter was trying to say about like even women in that time and there were often these like subversive kind of subtext to paintings where you know they were actually trying to be political through something that looked like it was just a portrait that was being paid for but the artist themselves was trying to say stuff so it's it's really cool that you go there I love that

what possessed somebody to paint something so depressing or so kind of charged and i i hate art with explanations so i ignore the plaques sorry national portrait gallery no but i think that's there's actually a really important message there which is like we need to actually start sort of feeling what we feel you know to interpret something ourselves through our emotions through the way we're looking at something

It's actually a parallel with live performance in terms of music, because I was watching the video.

Sadly, I missed your garage big headline set, but your performance was incredible that night.

Like I was watching all these fan videos of you singing Beautiful Freaks because I love that song and it's not out yet.

And I was just trying to hear the whole song.

But I was watching you perform and I was thinking like I'd forgotten that the importance of like live music as well, actually standing there without your phone and connecting and feeling something.

Even this summer, Madonna's got her new album coming out, Confessions 2.

I read something that she wrote all about how we need to pray with our bodies.

We actually need to connect with ourselves again.

I think standing in front of a painting without text, without being told something prescriptive, is what it's all about.

We need to get back to that more.

I saw that.

I saw that.