Chapter 1: What inspired Georgia Meek's music style?
Good afternoon, good morning, good evening, wherever you are in the world. My name is Robert Diamant and you're listening to Talk Art. Welcome to Talk Art. Now today I am feeling like a beautiful freak and I'm definitely feeling effing fabulous. I won't say the swear word just because it's the intro and I'll get told off by my mum, which is a regular occurrence lately on this series.
But today's guest is an amazing songwriter, singer and performer. But in my eyes, she's an artist and an artist at her very core. And she reminds me a lot of when I used to work in the music industry in my teenage years, I was touring in bands all the way through my 20s. And for me, there was always a correlation between the art world and the music world.
And obviously, I ended up moving more into the art world. But when I saw today's guest's music video at the end of February for the song Fabulous, I was just blown away. And it's directed by Sophie Mueller.
Chapter 2: How does Georgia Meek define her visual aesthetic?
And it's the most exquisite video. And it brought back memories of the reason that I even started to like music. And I just think there's a real artistry in everything she's doing. And Such a positive energy, which right now we're in need of more than ever because of the state of the world.
And I actually think that as a kind of mission statement, kind of using art for good and for positive energy and to unite people is so important. So I really wanted to welcome her onto the show. She hasn't even got an album out. It's like the kind of beginning of this iteration of her career, because actually she's been working for like 15 years, writing songs, making music.
I did actually realize last night that I actually had heard some of your other songs from a previous iteration, maybe like six years ago. There's a track called Bones, and there were quite a few other songs, which I still to this day love. I listened to them last night, and you're an amazing songwriter. So I'm very, very proud to welcome to Talk Art... me.
Hey, what an intro.
How are you?
Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. You know, it's been a crazy few months, actually. So it's quite nice to be here with you and having a little bit of a slower, not a slow morning. But you know, it's nice to do a podcast and wake up in my own house.
So funnily enough, in February, I kept hearing about you because a mate of mine, Tom Partridge, who is a performer in the West End and an actor, he heard your music, I think, before the single had come out. And he kept saying to me, you have to get Meek on the podcast. She's this amazing phenomenon. You have no idea. And I was just like, what is he going on about? I didn't even know the song yet.
And then when I heard it, I was like, oh, my God, Tom was right. But then about a week later, the whole of Margate, I live in Margate, was talking about you, the whole queer community here. And it felt like within about 10 days, you had the whole of the UK's queer kind of creative artistic world backing you.
I mean, first of all, shout out Margate. I love Margate. So love everyone in Margate. Yeah, I mean, it's been mad. It's moved really fast. And obviously I had a hunch that the gays were going to love this before anyone else. I had a hunch. The thing is, I think like what's been really nice about it is, like you said, it's been really organic.
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Chapter 3: What challenges did Georgia face in her early career?
in like different areas of the country other than London because we're so focused on London as well in the art scene and I've actually been doing a lot more up and down the country which I'll talk about in a bit but even at the label the team are like really pinching themselves because it just feels like this doesn't happen these days you know it doesn't all kind of blow up like this straight away off a first single so her head's spinning but she's loving life
And I saw that you went to South by Southwest and you were like very quickly doing amazing things. But the thing that I also connected with when I first heard the song was that you did your debut gig in Cuba, which is a gay bar in central London, which I used to frequent as a kid.
Like when I was like 18 or 17, we used to go there and I could not believe you chose that as your, your first place to play live. I was like, now that's cool.
Well, the thing is, when I turned 18, like literally the week I turned 18, I moved up to Shepherd's Bush and I lived on the Gold Hawk Road in a flat with three 30-year-old gay men. My entire adult upbringing has been Soho. It has been the queer community. And it's sort of it was my liberation, I suppose, as well from being a kid that kind of grew up in Surrey, but lived on an estate.
Do you know what I mean? That weird, awkward, like I don't really belong anywhere here sort of thing. So, yeah, a lot of that I've wanted to keep really authentic to what this kind of new era of my music is. And doing it at Cuba just felt like an absolute no brainer because it's such a classic venue. And like that downstairs room is great. And my friend DJs there.
So I was like, can I come and do this song on your night sort of thing? It felt like a real authentic, like first live thing, which was great. Yeah.
Another thing I really connected with was the visual language that you're starting to develop. I feel like you've got your own kind of vocabulary and actually it's totally authentic, but it does also feel like a kind of amazing artistic construct.
Your first music video was directed with Sophie Muller, as I mentioned in the introduction, but you also collaborated with an artist and performer called Theo Adams.
I just think that was such an interesting choice because Sophie was known in the 90s and maybe even 80s for working with people like Annie Lennox on the Diva record, which was one of my most exciting eras of being a pop fan in a way of music because I feel like Annie was telling stories in a really artistic way. through visual language.
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Chapter 4: How did Georgia Meek's debut gig shape her music journey?
And it's actually a really complex video for something that seems very spontaneous. What was it like working with both of them?
First of all, Theo is incredible. I mean, what a creature. I just love him. And I actually, I can confirm that we're going to use the same Sophie-Theo combo on the next video we're about to film as well, which is going to be incredible. It was a madness working with them both. And actually all three of us we're really direct people, all three of us as creators and collaborators.
So that I think was two full days we spent in Black Porsche in that video. And there wasn't a single moment where no one was talking. It was one of those. And like even obviously most of the shots are sort of like walking shots down the streets as well. So it really felt like the circus led by Sophie, Theo and I. It was just like,
We were actually off camera marching through Blackpool, being really loud and causing a scene, which was, I think, probably what made what happened on screen translate so well, because it was genuinely the atmosphere around that video. We had Faith doing the video. She was video commissioner and she's done all sorts of things for like Slaves and Nirvana back in the day.
And so we had also this real grunge element. to it as well it just felt really like women doing things that women aren't supposed to do and that was like a really fun thing about it it was great
Some of my favorite moments in pop history have been when performance art is brought into the pop arena. And it got me thinking of when Lindsey Kemp collaborated with Kate Bush in the late 70s. And she learned to mime and do all these different dance performances, even outside of ballet. It was much more psychological.
And to collaborate with someone like Theo Adams, who's a performance artist, and he actually has his own theatrical performance group called the Theo Adams Company. The more I've been looking at Theo's kind of universe, it's so magical and just artistic. I'm just loving the fact that you through your kind of access to this pop world now are kind of introducing us to this performance artist.
Well, I love that. And you know what? The thing I've been saying the most frequently in the last couple of months is all ships rise with the tide. And I think if I can highlight other really incredible things that are happening in the UK and are homegrown and especially somebody like Theo, who I relate to so much because that is you know, decades of hustle and being overlooked.
Like if I can give people like Theo airtime whilst I'm getting it, I think that's really rewarding, A, for me and B, for him and for everybody else and for British culture. I mean, come on, we've been so, I feel like we've had such a narrow channel for so long and I refuse normalcy with everything I have always.
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Chapter 5: What role does collaboration play in Georgia's creative process?
Because I know like you're being described also as self-made because, you know, you have come from an estate, you're supporting working class stories. And even in your lyrics, you're being very direct about that kind of subject matter, which I think is really important. How was it like trying to break through in the early days?
People are going to be sick of hearing about this from me by the time my album comes out because there's a lot about it on there. It's impossible, actually. Like, that's what it feels like and that's what it is. It's, you know, hitting your head against a wall over and over again.
And we're sort of set up to fail in our country a little bit if you're born into, like, a working-class environment because... You have to work so many hours on the side of anything else you do that there's no possible space in the day to build anything. And, you know, at one point I was working like Costa Coffee, getting there at 4am or something ridiculous to open for banker hour.
And then I was going to like the studio in the afternoon and I was going to go work a bar in the evening. Actually, the garage where I just had my headline show is where I used to pull pints as a student. And I used to go up there then to Islington, Paul Pines till about 4am, come home and it's unrealistic.
And it's the same thing, I think, in kind of micro senses, even growing up, like you're constantly trying to compete with people around you that have more time, more money, more resources. And we all know about the creative industry that it's, you know, he who shouts loudest wins hardest sort of thing. And you can't shout louder than anybody without some money to buy a megaphone. That's
kind of how it works so I also think in terms of like development as well the journey is a lot longer because you can't ram those 10,000 hours into two years you can't do it because more than half of that is spent doing the things you need to do like laundry and getting up and going to work so yeah it's like a gentrified space.
The arts community is sort of, I'm just trying to be really honest about everything and every step of this, because I really, if one good thing comes from any of this, it's inspiring working class kids to actually, you know, see this and be like, okay, maybe this is going to take me a little longer or it's going to be a little harder, but it is possible eventually that sort of thing.
But yeah, it's super challenging and I don't think anybody expects anybody who's kind of fighting to pay rent and bills and fighting to eat and get on the tube to be building an empire in the background, especially a creative one. So it's been awful. Really bad.
blood it's been really awful but now it's amazing and the last couple of years especially have been incredible and it was really pivotal when I signed my publishing deal which was three four years ago now it was my first ever kind of big chunk of an advance so that's when I stopped working in other jobs and actually that kind of I think says it all three four years ago I was able to stop working now I'm here in the charts.
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Chapter 6: How does Georgia Meek view the intersection of art and music?
And my mum's a total badass, by the way. She like really hustled that company out of the ground into something really quite successful now. They've done really well. But I spent all of my days in there as a kid. Like I'd go there after school when my mum couldn't afford childcare and I'd be like,
playing with offcuts of tulle and things and making these stupid dresses for my Barbies and things like that. And I have always lived a little bit in La La Land with clothes. I mean, any picture of me as a child, you can see it there. I refused to wear jeans as a child. I hated them. I would not let my mum put me in a two-piece outfit of any sort. Every single thing I wore...
looked like it should be on Wendy from Peter Pan. It was like bows. And like when I was younger, I went on this school trip to Isle of Wight and my mum had packed all of my Wendy nighties and I kicked the fuck off because I was like, everyone's going to see these real granny nighties that I wear in secret. And all these other kids have these little spaghetti strapped tops on.
I was like, oh my God. I am done forever socially, which I was actually. And I still am, which I love now. I love that about myself, but it's always just been part of me.
And I think as well, especially like I said, like going into my later teens and early twenties and being around Soho so much, like I fell in love with drag and, and it was sort of the first thing I'd ever related to actually, when I saw a drag show, I was like, oh my God, that person's taken all of that fabric and they've made themselves a thing that twists around their art.
You know, that like finding your people when you've lived in a village and had this kind of thing in your head forever and then going out into the bigger world and seeing it's there is crazy. And that is definitely a huge part of what, my wardrobe as an artist has become and probably massively like indicative of the visuals as well.
Actually, there's been a lot of times where I've worked from the dress outward, you know, so I'll be like, this is my vision for this. This is the fabric I see. And then how do we pick that up in the lighting and the backing vocals? And how do we, you know, in terms of movement as well, like, I love a huge sleeve and a huge skirt because I think
on stage when I'm trying to put across that bodacious audacious out there kind of message that ability to have all that fabric moving and it just feels bigger and bolder and I'm obsessed with big dresses in case you can't tell and I love British couture I love Westwoods I have a massive respect for it again from growing up around like 90s seamstresses in my mum's shop
I forgot where I started with this, actually. I've gone on a tangent.
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Chapter 7: What unique songwriting techniques does Georgia use?
You mentioned like free exhibitions, like how important that is. Like here in Margate, we have Turner Contemporary and that's free to get into. But when you think of all these different institutions, did you always feel like there was a bit of a barrier for you to like, you know, cross the threshold into a museum?
I think locally to where where I grew up, 100 percent, like the art world is non-exist there. Do you know what I mean? I mean, there was like a there was a there was a like gallery shop in the village, which we were all convinced was like a money laundering site because it actually they never opened the doors. And there was like a painting of a giraffe in the window.
One of those was like, I don't really know what's going on with this place. Other than that, there was just absolutely nothing. The only arts I suppose I had any access to growing up was the village panto, which I was absolutely obsessed with and in every single year. And we all used to get together...
The whole village, actually, the weekend before the panto, every year without fail, would get together in my school and everyone would paint these backboards for the set and the whole village would chip in. And actually, that is something I'm trying not to, like, talk too much about what I'm about to be doing this week because it's, like, in the forefront of my mind.
But that is actually a huge part of what Sophie Muller and Theo and I are doing for the next music video is this kind of...
unspoken thing around local pantos in this country man like in areas where there is no art scene that is the art scene the panto it's Gillian from the flower shop who was an opera singer in the 80s you know that was kind of where art existed for me until I moved to London and turned 18 and and then you know you couldn't get me out of the V&A it's
I mean, I never put the charity donation thing out the front and I have a laugh. I was using my last two quid to get the bus over there. But like, you just couldn't get me out of there. I'd never, ever seen anything like the V&A and I was obsessed.
So I think it is so important that communities start trying to integrate some of these corners of art into more rural areas of our country because it doesn't exist. It's really sad.
So when you would go to the V&A, what was it about the V&A in particular that you loved as a museum? Was it because there are so many different things to discover? Because I feel like I've seen some of my most favorite things in the V&A, like even exhibitions of clothes. Like they had an exhibition a few years ago of like all these younger British designers.
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Chapter 8: What future projects does Georgia Meek have planned?
And you just sort of get this like feeling from them. I don't know. I always feel like the eyes are looking at me, man. You know, and you're like, I totally hear you. You're feeling this way about this other character in the painting.
And like reading the little plaques at the side would really ruin that for me because I want to, it's like people watching, but in portrait form, I want to imagine them.
what possessed somebody to paint something so depressing or so kind of charged and i i hate art with explanations so i ignore the plaques sorry national portrait gallery no but i think that's there's actually a really important message there which is like we need to actually start sort of feeling what we feel you know to interpret something ourselves through our emotions through the way we're looking at something
It's actually a parallel with live performance in terms of music, because I was watching the video. Sadly, I missed your garage big headline set, but your performance was incredible that night. Like I was watching all these fan videos of you singing Beautiful Freaks because I love that song and it's not out yet. And I was just trying to hear the whole song.
But I was watching you perform and I was thinking like I'd forgotten that the importance of like live music as well, actually standing there without your phone and connecting and feeling something. Even this summer, Madonna's got her new album coming out, Confessions 2. I read something that she wrote all about how we need to pray with our bodies. We actually need to connect with ourselves again.
I think standing in front of a painting without text, without being told something prescriptive, is what it's all about. We need to get back to that more.
A hundred percent. Yeah. And I'm really glad that you felt that even from the videos from the show, because that's what it felt like in the room, actually. It felt really special. I mean, I did Fabulous at the end of the set for a reason, because the second it started, everyone pulled their phones out of their pockets. I was like, right, I don't want phones out from the beginning of this set.
So I'm going to force you all to wait for an hour until you get to hear the song. I say constantly that my favourite thing to watch are biopics. I love every biopic of anyone that's ever been made, particularly the Bohemian Rhapsody one, obviously, because I'm a massive Freddie fan. And I'm obsessed with music culture now.
from the 70s and 80s, absolutely obsessed and, like, I've always wanted this project to feel like that. I've always wanted it to feel immersive and raw and I've wanted the fandom to feel feral and, you know, that sort of, like, mobbing hotels again. It was so... Britain has become so polite and boring. And I'm like, come on, like, let's all throw a pint at me on stage. Throw a pint at me.
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