Robert Diament

So you have like ink pen at one point, you might start off with a kind of more traditional pencil, but it kind of evolves.

I sort of found that really exciting if you think about the innovation and invention of ideas in terms of being an artist and how artists are always looking to the next frontier.

A bit like that idea of your mum and your dad as explorers again.

But like how even in the simplest drawing, it always felt like she was trying to get exactly the right material to talk about the subject matter in hand at that time or in that decade.

How significant do you think that is?

I mean, it's quite a simple observation in a way, this idea of just the materials that create the drawing.

But I really noticed it in the body of work that your mum contributed.

Wow.

Wow.

which I first saw in 2010 in the Foundling Museum as a group exhibition that Tracey Emin, our dear friend, who also was taught by Paula, I believe.

And it's really hard to find any information about that because Tracey's mentioned it to me personally that she was taught by Paula.

But when I Googled it last night and I was like, did she teach her?

Because it's not really documented anywhere.

But then I found it in the press release for that 2010 Foundling Museum show where it says she was taught by her.

So I was glad my memory was correct.

Where did she teach her, by the way?

Me too.

We interviewed Hugh on the podcast.

I adore him.

Amazing human being and great artist.