Robert Draper

And in particular, the well-known right-wing podcaster Ben Shapiro of The Daily Wire.

Shapiro himself is an Orthodox Jew.

Yeah, that's a great question, Natalie.

And on the one hand, I think that Trump has been one of the most pro-Israel presidents we've seen.

On the other hand, has at no point denounced Fuentes, nor for that matter has Vice President J.D.

Vance, despite the fact that Fuentes has routinely insulted not only Vance, but Vance's wife and her family who are from India.

So there is...

a permission structure seemingly for bigotry and anti-Semitism to be aired out in the conservative movement, which makes a lot of people on the right uncomfortable.

But you mentioned vulnerability, and I think this is an important thing to focus on, not just as it relates to anti-Semitism, but also how one interprets this administration's priorities.

When the president was elected,

largely on keeping our attention fixed to domestic issues.

Now, Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson are able to reasonably assert that foreign entanglements have intruded into and in many ways disrupted those administration priorities, not just as regards Israel, but as regards Ukraine and as regards Venezuela.

Yes.

So I talked to Tucker Carlson about this when I spent a few hours with him in November.

And Carlson had a theory on this, and he said, look, the truth is that President Trump is realizing how difficult it is to solve a lot of these intractable domestic issues, particularly as it relates to affordability.

You know, you can talk about the price of eggs or something or even the price of gas, but overall—

There is a real affordability crisis in America, and it's tough to do anything about that.

Carlson said that by contrast, you know, you can go bomb a nuclear site in Iran knowing Iran probably isn't going to do anything about it, and you can look heroic and you can look powerful.

And so Trump, for all of his own focus historically on domestic problems, is now realizing it's easier to be godlike in the foreign policy arena than at home.

Right.