Robert Evans

So these guys would keep giving these songs to other people, other artists, and be like, you should do this song.

And it just became normalized to do that.

So the strength of the music industry went from being bands to being producers, right?

And this is where Phil kind of...

slams hard into the industry.

So he falls in with these guys, Lieber and Stoller, who are like the guys of the time.

They are the Max Martins or whatever famous producer, the Kenny Beats or the Dr. Dre's or the whatever you love.

They are that of this time.

and Spector admired them intensely.

He studied their recording techniques, their business strategies, and their ability to shape artist identities from behind the glass.

In many ways, Lieber and Stoller provided Spector with a blueprint for the career he wanted to build.

Despite recognizing his talent, however, Lieber and Stoller never fully trusted him.

Accounts from associates and later biographies describe them as simultaneously impressed by Spector's musical talents and wary of his personality.

He was ambitious, obsessive, and socially abrasive.

He pushed himself into rooms he had not been invited into.

He demanded opportunities he had not yet earned.

He hovered around sessions, absorbing information and inserting suggestions persistently, trying to attach himself to projects.

But they kept giving him chances, right?

Part of this was practical because he was good.

He was very good.