Robert Evans

It's not that we need to lie more.

We need to just know less about each other.

It's not lying just to not tell someone everything.

And we don't all need to tell someone everything, you know?

Yeah.

So most of these games are, again, just kind of, yeah, like, dark secrets.

Like, tell me the darkest thing that turns you on or stuff like that.

Like, that's a lot of, like, the kind of games that they're playing.

And doing so in public is really frightening but also kind of thrilling and cathartic.

And it creates this sort of stressful bonding experience that other self-help groups, like, you know, this is – all of them are doing something like this in this period of time.

And even kind of still into the modern day, everything is just kind of synonym when you get right down to it.

Yeah.

Now, the founder of the Welcome Consensus, R.J.

Testerman, which sounds fake, was a cowboy-coated dude.

He's always wearing, like, a fucking cowboy hat.

He's in, like, his 50s.

And what people will tell you about R.J.

and the cult is that he's really good at calling people on their bullshit.

And here that phrase means he's really good at psychologically abusing people, right?

Like, that's what that means.