Chapter 1: What is the background of the OneTaste orgasm cult?
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Jamie Loftus, our wonderful guest, back in the saddle again to talk about the orgasm cults. How are you doing, Jamie?
It's great to be back in the medical saddle that makes you come.
Oh, okay, well.
Yeah, I was like saddle, weird choice today, buddy.
Okay. Look, we're all struggling to not say things that sound like... It's weird, especially like... Again, this is all so adjacent to things I've done and were a part of my youth that it's really kind of weird to me. The reaction everyone else has to the... And then they're doing public sex demonstrations in front of crowds of people. It's like, no, I've been to a bunch of those, actually.
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Chapter 2: How did Nicole Daedone become involved in the orgasm movement?
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I used to hang out in all of Jigsaw's tracks. We were young.
It was a good time. And there were like maybe four to five stitches required as a result of the shattered glass disco ball. It was a great week. I had a really good time. I've got bad idea tattooed on my fingers because of that week. It was great.
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I nearly killed a man with a flamethrower. It was an awesome week. Wow. Accidentally, guys.
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Chapter 3: What are the key practices and philosophies of the Welcome Consensus?
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Chapter 4: How does the Welcome Consensus differ from traditional cults?
! She's completely naked and he's fully clothed in jeans.
It looks like a cropped Guantanamo picture. It's horrific.
It looks like some shit from fucking Al Goreb. Thank you.
I hate it. You have to really want that. I actually do appreciate the financial barrier. Not just anyone should be able to look at that. You have to be a pervert with money.
Most people are not ready. I also love that it's under the special interests section of the DVD categories for Amazon. This is indeed a special interest. Full jeans. So you're like, let's be clear. No one's comfortable. Nobody's having a good time. No one's having what you would call sex, right?
Raw jeans on human skin, not for nothing.
That lady's going to chafe. Mm-hmm. Big time. Everyone's chafing. Now, this is one of several video guides published by the Wellcome Consensus by the time that Nicole Dedone found it in 1998. She had dated Irwan for a while, and while that didn't last, her interest in deliberate orgasm did.
She pressed Irwan to connect her to more training, and rather than send her to Morehouse, he advised that she look into the Splinter Group instead.
And is this pre, like, huge group?
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Chapter 5: What controversies arose around the practices of orgasmic meditation?
It's a pretty good shirt.
It's a pretty good shirt if it's not attached to a cult, maybe.
I don't know. Nothing's going to get me in the door like some fugly, weird merch. So I was like, up until then, I'm like, at what point would I entertain going through the doors? And it is the fugly shirt.
It's the fugly shirt. Yeah, that's what they knew. So the welcome consensus, again, they call new members benchmarks, but it only costs $11 to visit. They've got a compound, obviously, that's elsewhere in California, but they've got a clubhouse in San Francisco. And they do weekly game nights there. And these are games that have been invented by the group that are...
You know those card games that are like, do you and your spouse want to communicate better? This card game will have you talking better and however long it takes to play or whatever like that, right? Like that kind of thing. Those are the sort of games that they're playing. These are like games that are created to aid in communication and intimacy and that are also usually ā
We did our episodes on Synanon, right? Because that comes out of the self-help movement that all this stuff is related to. A big thing in Synanon is these sessions where people sit around in a circle and insult each other. And they're definitely influenced by that. They've got some games that are like, we'll all sit around and we'll tell someone honestly something about themselves.
But it's usually supposed to be positive, but often there's a negative side to it.
That's how ā I used to work at now-closed comedy theater, and we would teach stand-up sketch and improv. What are the most evil things you can do? And in the stand-up classes, the first day would always be just that. You would have to get on stage. I never took it, but I watched. Each student, who just wants to put themselves out there, stands on stage, and every other student says ā
What are some assumptions people might make about you? And this is in Boston, Massachusetts, so you're hearing some really nasty stuff.
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Chapter 6: How did Nicole Daedone market her teachings to attract followers?
Okay, I was going to say, how opt-out?
That's a hard limit. It's not sounding like there is an opt-out. Okay. No. Now, can you lie? Of course. They're not checking. But... Oh, you can lie. Okay. Everyone does. So the WC framed their sex work as sexual experimentation. Again, just like the Morehouses, like we're really more researchers trying to learn like, you know, the scientific secrets of sex that have been locked away.
And their goal is to create like an elite level sexual experience. They were actually more, as much as they were inspired by their self-help groups, they're inspired by like fine dining restaurants, like the French Laundry. That's very much how they like build themselves. This is
We want you to have a Michelin orgasm.
Yeah, a Michelin star come. Yes. So Nicole was an instant fit. In short order, she'd paid $14,000 for a two-week class on how to feel and acknowledge her orgasms. Hewitt notes that in her bio for the group website at the time, she wrote, "'Orgasm is the thread that weaves my life together. There is nothing but orgasm, as much as I want.'"
That's really how a lot of the stuff in the later cult that she's going to make is going to sound. Like they talk about it like fucking mana, right? Like they're wizards and this is their magic power is orgasm. Like it's a quantifiable thing. Like it's not like a moment that happens. It's like a quantifiable kind of energy you can just have with you and like do Hadoukens with.
It's kind of it is kind of like almost I mean, I know it won't be for long, but it is almost kind of sweet how they're talking about orgasms as if it was their idea. And they're the first people to think of this.
Yeah. No one else has figured this out. So the older group members noticed right away that Nicole was very good at winning new recruits, at convincing people to join the group and to pay money.
one of her first gets was a young woman named Allison who was referred to the group by Erwan after meeting him at a rave again there's a lot of like after parties for Burning Man and stuff that people are being like recruited for to some of these groups and shit like that's that's like a thing and Erwan is kind of the thing I get is that he's kind of like their floater like he's probably I think a good looking guy and he's going out to like parties and stuff to find women like Nicole and Allison and you know talk them into showing up at a place like this um
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Chapter 7: What impact did the media have on the perception of OneTaste?
And he says, hey, you need to cop to whatever it is you were doing that made him angry or I'll beat you up myself. Right. And this is liberating. Right.
Yeah. Because that means you're powerful. And that's me acknowledging you're powerful.
That's me acknowledging your power.
Yeah.
Yeah. So RJ, this won't surprise anybody, was an aging drunk who went crazy with power and was as likely to give his followers pain as pleasure when he was doing these orgasm sessions. Sometimes if he was angry at a woman that he was like stroking, he would stroke her clitoris so hard that it like was agonizing. And then...
Like when someone would be like, hey, you're hurting me, he would accuse her of refusing to surrender. And it was not like he regularly would like literally just slap or otherwise hit his partner's genitals during these if he got angry at them. So, again, these are not like nice times a lot of the time. Right. No. I'm sure that's super shocking to hear. Yeah.
I don't know this one. Say more.
No, not great.
And this is all happening in group set. This is like there's no shortage of witnesses. Yeah.
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Chapter 8: What are the implications of the cult's practices on its members?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. So journalists start converging on the community. They get a bunch of bad press and that RJ is kind of getting old at this point. So he just backs off and they really reduce the recruitment efforts. He eventually decides I'm just going to like kind of fade away. Right. Like I like I'm too old for this shit. I don't want to have to like fight the outside world.
The abusive grift was good while it lasted forever.
Yeah. Yeah. And that's when Nicole kind of decides it's time to leave. Right. It's time for me. She can see like, OK, the welcome consensus is on its way out. It's time for me to start my own orgasm cult slash training program. And we'll talk about all that once we finish these ads.
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