Robert Evans

Yeah, it's it's fucked up.

So one example Ellen Hewitt gives is a male member of the welcome consensus who gets into an argument with with a female member and punches her hard enough to knock her to the ground.

And she goes to RJ to complain.

And he says, hey, you need to cop to whatever it is you were doing that made him angry or I'll beat you up myself.

Right.

And this is liberating.

Right.

That's me acknowledging your power.

Yeah.

So RJ, this won't surprise anybody, was an aging drunk who went crazy with power and was as likely to give his followers pain as pleasure when he was doing these orgasm sessions.

Sometimes if he was angry at a woman that he was like stroking, he would stroke her clitoris so hard that it like was agonizing.

And then...

Like when someone would be like, hey, you're hurting me, he would accuse her of refusing to surrender.

And it was not like he regularly would like literally just slap or otherwise hit his partner's genitals during these if he got angry at them.

So, again, these are not like nice times a lot of the time.

Right.

No.

I'm sure that's super shocking to hear.

Yeah.

No, not great.