Robert Evans

That's yeah.

Okay.

I did not realize like knowing about like the later stage of Phil Spector's life somewhat, I did not realize he started out dominated by his mom to such an extent that yes, that does kind of scan.

Yeah.

It does kind of scan, yeah.

You know, I mean, it's not always true, right?

It's like a lot of times people are just shitty people, right?

But a lot of times if you look into it, it is kind of like when your dad, when you're little, like, oh, he's just beating you up because he's got a shitty home life and he's trying to... Sometimes that is true.

Sometimes they're just bullies, you know?

But sometimes they got a shitty home life and they're dealing with something that you can't possibly understand.

So...

By the mid-1950s, Spector began forming musical groups with classmates and neighborhood friends.

Eventually, he helped create a vocal trio called the Teddy Bears, consisting of Phil, Annette Kleinbard, and Marshall Lieb.

The group formed the Teddy Bears.

Yeah, that's such a 1950s name, too.

You know?

Yeah, it is.

Um...

So the group formed through teenage friendships.

They all went to the same school or whatever, and like they knew each other.