Robert Evans

So Phil respected him both for his mastery of jazz and his seamless transition to other genres.

At one point, Spector was given the opportunity to meet his idol.

The meeting did not unfold as he had imagined.

Bertha, his mother, insisted on accompanying him.

During the conversation with his idol... Yeah, Bertha, she does it, man.

During the conversation, she begins questioning Kessel about career prospects, financial stability, practical viability, like a career in music, all this stuff.

It's like...

Yeah, he's like, he's there.

He's like, yo, dude, I get to meet this guitarist, this legend.

And she's like, well, what's the money like in the job?

You know?

Yeah.

She's just taking over control of this whole conversation.

And Phil's just so embarrassed.

Like, this goes from being like, oh, I get to meet my hero in music to like...

I'm just really embarrassed.

I'm really embarrassed that I'm sitting here having this conversation.

And this is just, this is his mom.

His mom is in control of his life at all times.

He's always, he's always stuck with that.