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Robert Evans

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Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

Right, yes.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

Yeah, yeah. This is why I intend to raise a human being with a bunch of tigers. But that's a separate point. Yeah. I just want to see if they'll grow claws. All the scientists are saying no, but I have my own theories. Scientists are saying a lot of things. They say a lot of shit as these episodes show.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

Yeah, yeah. This is why I intend to raise a human being with a bunch of tigers. But that's a separate point. Yeah. I just want to see if they'll grow claws. All the scientists are saying no, but I have my own theories. Scientists are saying a lot of things. They say a lot of shit as these episodes show.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

Yeah, yeah. This is why I intend to raise a human being with a bunch of tigers. But that's a separate point. Yeah. I just want to see if they'll grow claws. All the scientists are saying no, but I have my own theories. Scientists are saying a lot of things. They say a lot of shit as these episodes show.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

So, yeah, my opinion here is that his primary interest isn't even – I don't even think he ever intended to clone Neanderthals, right? I think he knows that this is not really going to happen – It's clear to me that his real interest is a mix of both like driving up hype because he's going to be starting this – he's trying to – and he's gotten very good at using his lab.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

So, yeah, my opinion here is that his primary interest isn't even – I don't even think he ever intended to clone Neanderthals, right? I think he knows that this is not really going to happen – It's clear to me that his real interest is a mix of both like driving up hype because he's going to be starting this – he's trying to – and he's gotten very good at using his lab.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

So, yeah, my opinion here is that his primary interest isn't even – I don't even think he ever intended to clone Neanderthals, right? I think he knows that this is not really going to happen – It's clear to me that his real interest is a mix of both like driving up hype because he's going to be starting this – he's trying to – and he's gotten very good at using his lab.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

We'll do some work in like finding some Neanderthal DNA and sequencing it. And then he can use that to start making claims of we'll be able to clone them one day and eventually get investments so that he can spin off another startup company, right? And that's kind of part of where Colossal Bioscience is the dire wolf company comes from. That's part of what he's doing.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

We'll do some work in like finding some Neanderthal DNA and sequencing it. And then he can use that to start making claims of we'll be able to clone them one day and eventually get investments so that he can spin off another startup company, right? And that's kind of part of where Colossal Bioscience is the dire wolf company comes from. That's part of what he's doing.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

We'll do some work in like finding some Neanderthal DNA and sequencing it. And then he can use that to start making claims of we'll be able to clone them one day and eventually get investments so that he can spin off another startup company, right? And that's kind of part of where Colossal Bioscience is the dire wolf company comes from. That's part of what he's doing.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

I think the other thing that he's doing here, and this becomes clear later in the interview, is he's sort of giving away that his actual interest is not to bring back extinct species. It's to find traits of those species and edit them into other animals for much less altruistic purposes. At one point he is asked like, do you think there's anything wrong with creating a whole new species?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

I think the other thing that he's doing here, and this becomes clear later in the interview, is he's sort of giving away that his actual interest is not to bring back extinct species. It's to find traits of those species and edit them into other animals for much less altruistic purposes. At one point he is asked like, do you think there's anything wrong with creating a whole new species?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

I think the other thing that he's doing here, and this becomes clear later in the interview, is he's sort of giving away that his actual interest is not to bring back extinct species. It's to find traits of those species and edit them into other animals for much less altruistic purposes. At one point he is asked like, do you think there's anything wrong with creating a whole new species?

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

And he says, the main goal is to increase diversity. The one thing that is bad for society is low diversity. This is true for culture or evolution, for species and also for whole societies. If you become a monoculture, you're at great risk of perishing. Therefore, the recreation of Neanderthals would mainly be a question of societal risk avoidance.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

And he says, the main goal is to increase diversity. The one thing that is bad for society is low diversity. This is true for culture or evolution, for species and also for whole societies. If you become a monoculture, you're at great risk of perishing. Therefore, the recreation of Neanderthals would mainly be a question of societal risk avoidance.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

And he says, the main goal is to increase diversity. The one thing that is bad for society is low diversity. This is true for culture or evolution, for species and also for whole societies. If you become a monoculture, you're at great risk of perishing. Therefore, the recreation of Neanderthals would mainly be a question of societal risk avoidance.

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

And that's a really good example of using, like, the language of social justice and liberalism to advocate for horrifying things. Like, first off, human beings have mostly done fine without Neanderthals. I don't know that there's any evidence that they would make us, like, more diverse. But also, that's not what he's interested in doing. Later in the interview, Der Spiegel asks...

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

And that's a really good example of using, like, the language of social justice and liberalism to advocate for horrifying things. Like, first off, human beings have mostly done fine without Neanderthals. I don't know that there's any evidence that they would make us, like, more diverse. But also, that's not what he's interested in doing. Later in the interview, Der Spiegel asks...

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

And that's a really good example of using, like, the language of social justice and liberalism to advocate for horrifying things. Like, first off, human beings have mostly done fine without Neanderthals. I don't know that there's any evidence that they would make us, like, more diverse. But also, that's not what he's interested in doing. Later in the interview, Der Spiegel asks...

Behind the Bastards
Part Two: Dire Wolves, Dr. George Church & The De-Extinction Grift

hey, wouldn't you just be able to add some of their genes to a human and change the human? And the answer Dr. Church gives makes it clear that this is what I think he's really interested in. Because he says, suppose you were to realize, wow, these five mutations might change the neuronal pathways, the skull size, a few key things. That could give us what we want in terms of neurodiversity.