Robert Glazer

So I still think we have way too much focus on hours and inputs and not outputs.

So I think getting people focused on outcomes and not celebrating heroes, hours and inputs, because we're not,

So I think getting people focused on outcomes and not celebrating heroes, hours and inputs, because we're not,

I mean, you're salespeople.

You're happy if they are making a lot of calls or if they're selling things, right?

I mean, you're salespeople.

You're happy if they are making a lot of calls or if they're selling things, right?

Which do you want to do?

People need time off.

Which do you want to do?

They need rest.

People need time off.

They need to step away from work.

They need rest.

You need a culture where it's okay to take a vacation and people cover you and you turn off your phone and you come back rested.

They need to step away from work.

You need a culture where it's okay to take a vacation and people cover you and you turn off your phone and you come back rested.

But if I, the leader...

But if I, the leader...

And look, the leader emulates for everyone.