Robert Lukens

And two, I think that integration needs to be done in such a sophisticated, sensitive, deep way for that to work.

And for me, I could just never shake the idea that the death of their friend Gabriel particularly, to me, has just served as a plot point on the trajectory of Carl, our main protagonist.

And I feel like

The whole way I threw it, I just felt for this poor boy.

I felt for this dead boy who, for me, wasn't handled with the, I suppose, the sensitivity or the depth that I needed to be okay with connecting with this story.

And I suppose I had quite a strong reaction to that because it pushed me out and I got angry and I wanted to

Be with Gabriel.

I wanted to talk to him.

I wanted to know what happened in the same way the parts going back to Tom in Sarajevo.

Look, it's funny.

My hands are shaking now talking about this now.

It's big stuff.

It's big stuff.

The first time I started reading this, my mind immediately went to Black Rock, White City by Alec Patrick, which deals with the Bosnian War.

And the story mechanics are quite similar.

We get this story of what happened in the Bosnian War in ever more revealing flashbacks.

And in Black Rock, White City, we feel every moment of that.

We know the repercussions.

This happened to real people.

And this is, as we all know, this is the real thing.