Robert Pape

So, no, I am all down for, as I said, 2008.

I said the biggest problem Obama is going to have is Iran nuclear weapon.

I didn't say it was rise of China.

I didn't say it was Russia.

I didn't say it was holding on to solving problems of 2% in NATO.

I said this was the number one problem.

And I got to say, I was not part of the Obama administration, but everything I saw is he took it seriously.

It was his number one problem.

And he was willing to make deals with Russia and China in order to do what was necessary to do the coalition to get basically a weak deal.

I am not saying that JCPOA was a great deal.

I lay this out in my class in detail.

I tell them exactly what the limits of it were, what the advantages of it were.

I just want something better.

And the idea you're going to throw away something that's half a loaf for a magical hope of a full loaf.

No, my books would then be called bombing hoping to win.

I do not hope.

to win, I demand, and basically on the right and the left, and the left doesn't like it either when Professor Pape gets in the room, because I complain about their economic sanctions.

And I explain that you're killing people with these sanctions because you end up having the malnourished, the young people here, the people under five years old, they die when there's more malnutrition.

They die when there's more disease.

So these economic sanctions, this economic pressure is not humanitarian the way it's often sort of articulated.