Robert Pape

And the truth is, when I go toe-to-toe with the folks on the left on this, which I've done in print, they don't like it either.

So I'm not really picking favorites here.

I'm holding people to a common standard, which is have a strategy to win that takes into account the downsides for real, not just blow it off and say, oh, well, no, we'll solve those when we come to them.

Oh, my God.

Thank you so much for coming down.

Excellent, excellent.

And I so appreciate that.

I believe you ask questions and push back the way –

your audience would be if they were sitting right here.

And I don't know.

I've never met President Trump.

I can't say that it would have been.

I think maybe a version of it, although I suspect he would be pretty tough, okay?

Not necessarily nasty, but that's fine.

I'm up for that because if it turns out,

There's a better position than what I'm offering.

I'm down for that as long as it works for America.

Thank you so much.

Yeah, thank you very much for having me.

This is a high-risk bet that the Trump administration is making, and it's a bet they really cannot afford to lose.