Robert Pape

And that helps them to make real sense of it.

I wish, you know, I'm hoping we'll have some updates, and then you'll probably stop bringing me on, but that's okay.

I'm okay with that.

I've got an actual life that could go on.

But I'm just saying, it would be nice to be positive here, and I hope that could happen.

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely.

I've said this before, it's like the inverse of my indicator.

I keep telling people that the key thing to do is try to ignore the rhetoric and look at the behavior of states.

One of the things that would be a thing that would be going in the other direction would be if President Trump were to withdraw, say, all the carriers.

Let's just start with the carriers.

We now have three carriers

One of the three was supposed to be there to help rotate the other two.

Well, that hasn't happened yet.

But still, let's say that he pulls back the three carriers here and says he's going to go to Cuba or something.

Well, that would mean we're not going into the escalation trap.

He's marching out.

If he would also move out hundreds of the aircraft that he has stationed in the region, that would mean we're marching out.

If he would withdraw...

troops, the Marines.