Robert Pape

So we've famously moved 10,000 Marines.

So if we withdraw those Marines, and I mean put them back at Camp Pembleton or back in Japan, I don't just mean we declare they're gone.

I mean, they physically move.

Those are really key indicators.

And that would tell me we're on the track of de-escalation, not stuck in the escalation trap.

Thank you very much.

And also, I love the tough questions here.

This is the way we should be doing this.

And I really appreciate your and keep keep them coming.

We need to have serious conversations here.

Thank you.

I agree.

OK, bye bye.

Thank you very much for having me.

The most important fact about political violence in America today is this.

Tens of millions of Americans on both sides of the aisle see political violence as acceptable.

And once you have tens of millions of Americans, not a fringe, not a few militia groups, who see violence as acceptable, this changes everything about the risks of attack.

It makes the individuals who are volatile for their own psychosocial reasons, it pushes those volatile individuals over the edge.

Because what they see is the prospect of social approval for their acts.

And when you have tens of millions of Americans who support political violence, it makes tips to the FBI very, very difficult to get.